Units of Wave function (Schrodinger equation)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the units of the radial part of the wave function, R(r), in the context of the Schrödinger equation in spherical coordinates. Participants explore normalization integrals and the implications of angular dependence in wave functions.

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the unit of R(r) and attempts to analyze the normalization integral, expressing confusion over the dimensions involved.
  • Another participant suggests that the normalization integral must be dimensionless, leading to the conclusion that the wave function must have dimensions of length to the power of -3/2, while angular components are dimensionless.
  • A later reply acknowledges an error in the integral presented and emphasizes the need to consider angular dependence when the potential is not solely a function of radius.
  • One participant proposes that wave functions should be normalized separately to unity, indicating that R(r) should have dimensions of length to the power of -3/2, while the angular components should be dimensionless.
  • Another participant expresses confusion regarding how to indicate that probability density varies with angle, noting the dependence of the wave function on angular factors.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on how to approach the problem of angular dependence in the wave function or the implications of the normalization integral. Multiple views on the interpretation of the wave function and its components remain present.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the normalization integral and the treatment of angular dependence in the context of potentials that are not solely radial.

Avatrin
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Hi

I thought I knew the answer to this question until I encountered the following question:

What is the unit of R(r)?

We are of course talking about the radial part of the solution to Schrödinger's equation in spherical coordinates (i.e. \psi(r,\theta,\phi) = R(r)\Theta(\theta)\Phi(\phi)).

I tried to look at the integral needed for normalization and just got more confused:

\int R(r)r^2 dr \int\Theta(\theta)sin\theta d\theta \int \Phi(\phi) d\phi = 1

How should I approach problems like this?
 
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Avatrin said:
What is the unit of R(r)?

We are of course talking about the radial part of the solution to Schrödinger's equation in spherical coordinates (i.e. \psi(r,\theta,\phi) = R(r)\Theta(\theta)\Phi(\phi)).

I tried to look at the integral needed for normalization and just got more confused:

\int R(r)r^2 dr \int\Theta(\theta)sin\theta d\theta \int \Phi(\phi) d\phi = 1

How should I approach problems like this?
Well, "1" is dimensionless. Angles are dimensionless. "r" has dimensions of length (which I'll write as 'L').

Your normalization integral looks wrong. Maybe you meant (in cartesian coordinates) something like:
$$ \int \psi^*(x) \psi(x) d^3 x ~=~ 1 ~~~?$$(You only seem to have ##\psi## in your integral.)

##x## has dimensions L, so ##d^3 x## has dimensions ##L^3##. The whole integral must be dimensionless to match the right hand side, hence ##\psi(x)## must have dimensions ##L^{-3/2}##. Usually, the angular factors in the wavefunction would be dimensionless, so that should be enough to tell you the dimensions of the radial part -- if you write the spherical polar version of the integral correctly... :oldwink:
 
Yes, my integral is indeed wrong...

\int |R(r)|^2 r^2 dr \int |\Theta(\theta)|^2 sin\theta d\theta \int |\Phi (\phi)|^2 d\phi = 1

However, the angles being dimensionless, while it makes sense; How, when the potential is not a function of only the radius, do you indicate that the probability density varies with the angle? This is the part that was confusing me the most. Of course, if we try to use some angular unit like the unit of distance, we encounter the problem \psi(r,\theta,\phi) = \psi(r,\theta + 2\pi,\phi + 2\pi)
 
It's good practice to make the wave functions in a separation ansatz of their natural dimension as a probability-density amplitude, depending on the nature of the argument. In your case of separation in spherical coordinates thus, I'd choose to normalize them separately to unity, because then by integrating over one or two of the three coordinates you get directly probability densities for the other variables, i.e., the dimensions should be
$$[R]=\text{length}^{-3/2}, \quad [\Theta]=[\Phi]=1.$$
 
Avatrin said:
How, when the potential is not a function of only the radius, do you indicate that the probability density varies with the angle? This is the part that was confusing me the most.
I don't understand where the confusion lies. The wave function ##\psi## involves the factors ##\Theta(\theta)\Phi(\phi)##, hence clearly depends on angle in general.
 

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