Unraveling Dirac's General Relativity Equation

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The discussion revolves around an equation presented in Dirac's book on General Relativity, specifically related to the mass 4-current and its variations under displacement. Participants are exploring the derivation and implications of this equation, which is not explicitly derived in the text. The scope includes theoretical aspects of General Relativity and mathematical reasoning regarding the Lie derivative.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion over Dirac's treatment of the equation for the mass 4-current, noting that it is presented as self-evident without derivation.
  • Another participant suggests that the expression for the variation of the mass 4-current, δpμ, can be understood as the Lie derivative of pμ with respect to a small displacement bμ.
  • A third participant draws a parallel between Dirac's assertions and historical quotes about mathematical clarity, indicating a feeling of needing to fill in gaps in understanding.
  • Further clarification is sought on how the Lie derivative relates to δpμ, with references to the formal definitions and implications of the Lie derivative in the context of tensor fields.
  • Participants discuss the mechanics of point transformations and how they relate to the changes in tensor quantities, including specific correction terms for different types of tensors and densities.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that Dirac's equation lacks a clear derivation, but they do not reach a consensus on the implications of the Lie derivative or the specifics of how it relates to δpμ. Multiple viewpoints and interpretations remain present.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of the mathematical concepts involved, including the need for a deeper understanding of the Lie derivative and its application to the mass 4-current. There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions and implications of the terms used.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying General Relativity, particularly students and researchers looking to understand the mathematical foundations and derivations of key equations in the field.

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There's an equation from Dirac's book on General Relativity that I don't get at all. It isn't derived; instead it's treated as almost self-evident, when it isn't.

Dirac begins by defining ##p^\mu## to be the "mass 4-current" of a continuous distribution of matter (matter in this case really being matter, ie not including the E&M field). This is defined such that ##p^\mu=\rho_0 v^\mu##, where ##\rho_0## is the mass density of a particular element of matter in that element's rest frame, and ##v^\mu## is just the four-velocity of the matter at the same point. Basically, ##p^\mu## is just the mass flux, in the same way as ##J^\mu## is the charge flux.

Dirac is trying to derive the equations of motion for a distribution of matter using the action principle. He does this by first making "arbitrary variations in the position of an element of matter" and seeing how it affects ##p^\mu##. He then asserts that if each element of matter is displaced from ##x^\mu## to ##x^\mu +b^\mu##, where ##b^\mu## is small, then ##\delta p^\mu=(p^\nu b^\mu - p^\mu b^\nu),_{\nu}##.

As I stated at the beginning, he doesn't derive this equation. I was hoping that someone else could describe where this equation comes from. Thanks.
 
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Well he does give an argument supporting this expression for δpμ but doesn't really derive it. However I believe the expression he winds up with is just the Lie derivative of pμ with respect to b.

(The Lie derivative of a vector quantity is more familiar, but here pμ is a vector density and you get an additional term in that case involving bμ.)
 
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Yes, he did give an argument for his expression, but when reading it I was reminded of Nathaniel Bowditch's quote about Laplace: "I never came across one of Laplace's 'Thus it plainly appears' without feeling sure that I have hours of hard work before me to fill up the chasm and find out how it plainly appears." I felt the same way about Dirac's "the generalization is evidently".

Could you explain why the Lie derivative of ##p^\mu## with respect to ##b^\mu## would give ##\delta p^\mu##? It isn't obvious to me, though granted I am still a novice to the mathematics of GR.
 
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Could you explain why the Lie derivative of ##p^\mu## with respect to ##b^\mu## would give ##\delta p^\mu##?
Dirac says, "Let us suppose each element of matter is displaced from zμ to zμ + bμ with bμ small. We must determine the change in pμ at a given point."

While according to Wikipedia, the Lie derivative is "the change of a tensor field along the flow of another vector field." Sounds like the same thing!

It can get a lot more formal from then on. Roughly, the idea is this. You do a point transformation, that is you actually pick up and move the points a small amount. (Dirac's "displacing the matter") You construct a new coordinate system x' in which each point now has the same coordinate values that it did in the original coordinate system x. We say the coordinate system has been dragged along. Likewise you drag along every scalar, vector and tensor quantity by saying when displaced it has the same components in x' that it originally had in x. Then these quantities have been dragged along also, and the Lie derivative is how much they have changed if you just look at them in x.

Using Dirac's notation bμ for the small displacement, the Lie derivative of a scalar s is bμμs. That is, the directional derivative of s along b. For each tensor index you get a correction term.

For a contravariant vector vμ the Lie derivative is bσσvμ - vσσbμ.

A covariant index has a similar correction term but with a plus sign.

For a density w there's a correction term: bμμw + w∂μbμ.

This is all explained in more detail in Wikipedia!
 
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