Unravelling the Mystery of Touch-Activated Lamps

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The discussion revolves around the functioning of touch-activated lamps, exploring the mechanisms behind their operation. Participants consider various theories, including electrical and thermal interactions, as well as historical context regarding older lamp designs.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that touch-activated lamps might work through heat sensors, proposing that touching the metal part could heat it slightly and activate the lamp.
  • Another participant asserts that a tiny charge is sent to or from the user, which is not harmful, and that this charge causes a voltage drop across a capacitor that is read by an integrated circuit as an "on" switch.
  • A different participant questions the necessity of resistors in the circuit, suggesting that if there were a current flowing through the metal frame, it would require a resistor to prevent shorting out, and raises concerns about safety and the lack of a third plug for grounding.
  • One participant explains that the lamp contains a solid state module connected to a capacitor, where touching the lamp changes the capacitance and allows a small current to flow, activating the lamp without risk of electrocution.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the mechanisms of touch-activated lamps, with no consensus reached on how they operate. Some propose electrical explanations while others consider thermal aspects, leading to an unresolved discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention historical designs of touch-activated lamps, noting that older models may have operated differently, particularly in terms of brightness control, which adds complexity to the current understanding.

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you've all seen one before, a lamp that turns on when you touch a metal part of it. i was wondering how they worked...?

Here are my ideas on how it works: well it can't be sending an electric current through you, that would just be dangerous and wouldn't relly serve any purpose. then i noticed it didnt work when i touched it with some object (conducting and not) and that really proves that it isn't a current, but also shows that it could be by heat. now i know that heat spreads itself out evenly on metal objects, so i was thinking that if you touch any metal part of it, you would heat it up a little, and thus if you have a heat sensor somewhere in the lamp it could turn on. only problem is the light bulb gets hot and invariable would turn on (or actually off) the lamp were it built that way.

anyone actually know why/how they work?
 
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A tiny charge is indeed sent into you (or taken from you) but at such a low current that it is not harmful. Without getting into the details (which I'd have to look up) it would be nearly impossible to get a dangerous shock from a properly designed switch box.

The tiny charge causes a voltage drop across a tiny capacitor; an IC reads this drop as an "on" switch.

Correct me if I am wrong: I assume that you cannot be harmed because there is a transformed dc circuit that is wired through a capacitor which is connected to the conducing body of the lamp. Only a limited current can "flow through" a capacitor in a dc circuit.
 
im not sure i understand; if there was a current flowing through the metal frame then there would have to be a resistor in it or it would short out. if this resistor is you, you would have to hold it to keep it from shorting out. if it isnt, you need another resistor in there and an entirely separate loop (if its the loop with the lamp, then its an AC circuit not DC and its at 120v...), meaning there has to be a battery in it.. and i never heard of one of these lamps actually running out. not to mention they don't have that third plug in the outlet as a safety in case it goes wrong and since you are essentially touching a live wire the whole time, it would make a lot of sense.

another thing though, which is that the old lamps made in the 30s ish like this were made such that as you held it it became steadily brighter. I am not *completley* sure that's true, but reasonably so, and I am not sure that would work with your model.

perhaps some clarification?
 
Inside the lamp is a solid state module which is attached to one side of a capacitor in the module. Essentially the frame of the lamp becomes one plate of the capacitor. When you touch the plate you change the capacitance of the capacitor, thus a small current will flow. This current is detected by the solid state module, which causes a relay (probably a solid state relay) to change state, thus turning on the lamp. Since the plate of the cap you touch is ground and insulated by a dielectric from the hot plate you are never in danger of electrocution.
 

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