Unsteady Pipe-Flow Momentum Balance: Solving for Volumetric Time Rate of Change

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the momentum balance for unsteady flow in a level pipe, specifically focusing on how to solve for the volumetric time rate of change of fluid velocity. Participants explore the application of the unsteady Bernoulli equation and the Navier-Stokes equations in this context.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a momentum balance equation for an incompressible unsteady fluid and questions how to solve for the volumetric time rate of change integral, given that velocity changes from station 1 to station 2.
  • Another participant suggests using the divergence theorem to simplify the integrals and solve the resulting system of differential equations analytically.
  • A third participant references a specific chapter in a book (BSL, Chapter 7) that discusses the approach for inviscid fluids, indicating it involves the rate of change of kinetic energy within the control volume.
  • The original poster expresses a lack of access to the suggested book but plans to study it in the future, indicating a desire to understand the topic better before asking further questions.

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Participants have not reached a consensus on the best approach to solve the problem, and multiple methods are being discussed, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

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There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about fluid properties and the specific conditions under which the momentum balance is applied. The discussion does not resolve the mathematical steps needed to proceed with the analysis.

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Hi PF!

Suppose we have an incompressible UNSTEADY fluid passing through a level pipe. Let station 1 have area, velocity, and pressure ##A_1##, ##V_1(t)## and ##P_1(t)##. Station 2 is defined similarly. I know the unsteady Bernoulli equation could solve this, but if I wanted to make a momentum balance I would have $$\partial_t\iiint_v \vec{V} \rho \, dv + \iint_{\partial v} \rho \vec{V} (\vec{V} \cdot \hat{n}) \, dS = \sum \vec{F}$$ I'm not worried about any specifics here except for one detail, the volumetric time rate of change integral. Since velocity ##\vec{V}## monotonically changes from station 1 to station 2, this integral ##\partial_t\iiint_v \vec{V} \rho \, dv## is definitely not zero; then how do we solve for it? Would we have to look at Navier-Stokes for the fluid to get the fluid velocity profile to solve? I know NS is a momentum balance and takes identical form to the equation I posted, but I'm not sure how to proceed here. Any idea?
 
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Well the usual approach, if the goal is to do this analytically, would be to use the divergence theorem to remove the integrals and solve the integrands as a system of differential equations.
 
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Josh,

Have you checked out BSL, Chapter 7 like I suggested. They show how to do what you want for an inviscid fluid. It involves using the rate of change of kinetic energy within the control volume.
 
Chestermiller said:
Josh,

Have you checked out BSL, Chapter 7 like I suggested. They show how to do what you want for an inviscid fluid. It involves using the rate of change of kinetic energy within the control volume.
I don't have the book on me right now. I moved a little while ago and left my book at my old school. I am picking it up this November though, so I was planning on studying it then! I'll be sure to give it a good read. Perhaps I'll check and see if our library has it now though. Then I can read before asking a bunch of questions.
 

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