Using Fick's Law: Separating Water from Alcohol and Aromatic Components

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the application of Fick's Law in the context of separating water from alcohol and aromatic components, with participants seeking examples and guidance on its derivation and practical use, particularly in relation to pervaporation membranes.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a need for examples of Fick's Law in practice, specifically for separating water from alcohol and aromatic components.
  • Another participant inquires about the specific version of Fick's Law being used, the availability of diffusivities, and whether the derivation involves Navier-Stokes equations.
  • A participant mentions needing to apply Fick's Law to a pervaporation membrane and seeks clarity on starting points, including the role of experimental data, thickness, and vapor pressure calculations.
  • Another participant indicates a lack of understanding regarding the application of Fick's Second Law and requests guidance on its derivation.
  • A later reply provides references to textbooks that cover Fick's Second Law and its solutions, suggesting that it is a common topic in the study of partial differential equations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach consensus on specific methodologies or starting points for applying Fick's Law, indicating that multiple competing views and uncertainties remain in the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the necessary parameters and conditions for applying Fick's Law, including the need for known diffusivities and the relevance of experimental data.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students and researchers interested in the practical applications of Fick's Law, particularly in separation processes and diffusion phenomena.

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I've been doing tons of research on Fick's Law. I understand how to derive it and what its used for. I just need to see an example of it being used.

I need to use this equation to separate water from an alcohol and aromatic component.

Any help is greatly appreciated.
 
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Which version of this equation are you using? Do you have any known diffusivities? Are you deriving through Navier-Stokes?
 
sicjeff said:
Which version of this equation are you using? Do you have any known diffusivities? Are you deriving through Navier-Stokes?

I know that I'll be needing to use it for a pervaporation membrane. Here is a site that I've found useful and I'm sure I need to use these equations.

http://www.cheresources.com/pervaporation.shtml

I just need help on how to start doing it, it seems that I'm having too many unknowns. I'm not sure if I need to look at experimental data and use the thickness in the equation and if I need to calculate the vapor pressure. I'm given thermal conductivity, specific heat, heat of vaporization, and specific gravity of the components.

I'm just lost and don't know where to start. :confused:
 
Hi, I have a problem in finding solution to the Fick's 2nd Law. I know how is it being derive from the 1st Law but had no idea how to go on from there on.

Is there anyone that can teach me? I'm totally new in this and needed for my project.
 
Hi Stefanie, welcome to PF. Fick's Second Law is a very common partial differential equation, and its solution should be described in most books on PDEs (it's also called the diffusion equation). Incropera and DeWitt's Fundamentals of Heat and Mass Transfer and Baluffi's Kinetics of Materials also describe solutions, since this PDE arises in heat and material diffusion problems, respectively.
 
Thanks for the references :)
 
chemeguy said:
I've been doing tons of research on Fick's Law. I understand how to derive it and what its used for. I just need to see an example of it being used.

I need to use this equation to separate water from an alcohol and aromatic component.

Any help is greatly appreciated.

ı need to learn how to derive fick's law please help me thank you?
 

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