Using FOIL with "Longer" Expressions - HELP

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The problem involves multiplying a polynomial expression, specifically (x^2 + 3x - 5)(x - 2), and explores the application of the FOIL method in this context.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the limitations of the FOIL method when applied to polynomials with more than two terms. Some suggest using the distributive property instead, while others express confusion about how to extend FOIL to longer expressions.

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There is a productive exchange regarding the application of the distributive law to multiply the terms in the expressions. Some participants have provided guidance on how to approach the multiplication, and there is acknowledgment of the method's complexity when dealing with longer polynomials.

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Participants note the challenge of applying familiar methods to more complex expressions and question how to effectively manage the additional terms in the multiplication process.

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Homework Statement


Multiply Out:
(x^2 + 3x - 5)(x - 2)

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


I've only seen the FOIL method of multiplying factors where inside the parenthesis of each factor are two terms. So, I know if you have (x - 3)(x + 5), then you get:

x^2 -3x +5x -15, which simplifies to x^2 +2x - 15

But what do you do when there is a longer expression inside the parentheses, such as above: (x^2 + 3x -5)? My brain gets scrambled looking at how to FOIL this situation if we even can. Can we? If so, how?
 
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bballwaterboy said:

Homework Statement


Multiply Out:
(x^2 + 3x - 5)(x - 2)

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


I've only seen the FOIL method of multiplying factors where inside the parenthesis of each factor are two terms. So, I know if you have (x - 3)(x + 5), then you get:

x^2 -3x +5x -15, which simplifies to x^2 +2x - 15

But what do you do when there is a longer expression inside the parentheses, such as above: (x^2 + 3x -5)? My brain gets scrambled looking at how to FOIL this situation if we even can. Can we? If so, how?

You have to multiply all terms inside the first parentheses with all terms inside the second one. This is application of the distributive law to expand a(b+c)=ab + ac. Imagine that (x^2 + 3x - 5)=a. Then a(x-2)=ax-2a. The next step is to expand both (x^2 + 3x - 5)x and 2(x^2 + 3x - 5) and add them. Simplify at the end.

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bballwaterboy said:
I've only seen the FOIL method of multiplying factors where inside the parenthesis of each factor are two terms.
FOIL only makes sense when you are multiplying two binomials (two expressions with two terms each. In case you don't know, FOIL is an acronym: F - the first terms of the two pairs of terms, O - the outer terms of the pairs, I - the inner terms of the pairs, and L - the last terms of the two pairs. As soon as you have more than two terms in either factor, FOIL is no help.
 
ehild said:
You have to multiply all terms inside the first parentheses with all terms inside the second one. This is application of the distributive law to expand a(b+c)=ab + ac. Imagine that (x^2 + 3x - 5)=a. Then a(x-2)=ax-2a. The next step is to expand both (x^2 + 3x - 5)x and 2(x^2 + 3x - 5) and add them. Simplify at the end.
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Thanks, ehild.

That was helpful. So, in a way it's still the same as before, but you're also multiplying the "middle" term of the longer factor, right? It's just having one extra thing to multiply out it seems. So, if I understand your directions correctly, here's what I get then:

x^3 + 3x^2 -5x ...this is your (x^2 +3x -5)x

-2x^2 -6x +10...this is your -2(x^2 +3x -5)

When we add these together, we get:
x^3 + x^2 -11x +10

Would this be the correct answer? Thanks on last time!
 
bballwaterboy said:
When we add these together, we get:
x^3 + x^2 -11x +10

Would this be the correct answer? Thanks on last time!

Yes, it is correct! You are the man! :)
 

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