Using Fourier to solve a problem.

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The discussion revolves around applying Fourier series to analyze the output of a 1 kHz square wave as it passes through a communication channel with a bandwidth of 0 to 10 kHz. Participants explore the mathematical formulation of the Fourier series and seek clarification on how to compute the Fourier coefficients.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about applying the Fourier series to the problem, particularly in understanding how to incorporate voltage values into the equation.
  • Another participant suggests that if there is no phase shift and infinite attenuation at 10 kHz, the Fourier series can be truncated at the 9th term, but notes that real-life conditions will affect the harmonics differently.
  • A participant acknowledges difficulty with the mathematical aspects of the Fourier series and seeks tutoring on how to properly apply the coefficients.
  • There is mention of the need to find the Fourier coefficients An and Bn, with one participant indicating that their textbook does not adequately explain how to derive these coefficients.
  • Suggestions are made to look up visual resources related to square wave spectra to better understand how harmonics are affected by filters.
  • Another participant recommends exploring additional texts and online tutorials for clearer explanations of Fourier series.

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Participants express a range of uncertainties and challenges related to the mathematical application of Fourier series, with no consensus on how to proceed with the calculations or the best resources to use.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in their understanding of Fourier coefficients and the application of the Fourier series, indicating a need for clearer explanations and examples. There is also a recognition that real-world conditions may complicate the theoretical application of the series.

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I've been kicking this around for a few days. I know I'm overlooking something simple it has been a long time since I've had to do this. I'm trying to sketch the output in the time domain of a 1 kHz square wave passing through a communication channel whose bandwidth is 0 to 10 kHz.

I'm trying to apply: f(t) = Ao/2 + A1 cos ωt + A2 cos 2ωt + B2 sin 2ωt + ...

I'm just looking for direction here I believe I'm on the wrong track as I can't wrap my head around the equation without a known voltage.
 
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Hey JoeBart,

If your link doesn't have any phase shift and an infinite attenuation at 10kHz, then you can truncate your Fourier series at the 9th term. However, in real life each harmonic will be slightly phased out, and the attenuation will not be infinite.

Here is what I have.
 

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jfgobin,

Thank you!
This is what I expected to see. having been away for so long I'm having trouble solving the equation or putting the values in the correct places. I can visualize the output, but fail miserably at the math. I guess I'm looking for a little tutoring on the equation it self.
 
Start by looking up the formulas for the Fourier coefficients.
 
vela,

This is where it all falls apart for me. The text I'm working from mentions An and Bn as being real-number coefficients, but never explains how to find them. I'm trying to teach myself how to take the information from the original problem and plug it into the Fourier series. After 22 years it's like learning to read hieroglyphs. I can see how the 3 filters mentioned in the problem affect the waveform, in my head, based on which harmonics are being attenuated. I would like to do this mathematically.
 
JoeBart said:
vela,

This is where it all falls apart for me. The text I'm working from mentions An and Bn as being real-number coefficients, but never explains how to find them. I'm trying to teach myself how to take the information from the original problem and plug it into the Fourier series. After 22 years it's like learning to read hieroglyphs. I can see how the 3 filters mentioned in the problem affect the waveform, in my head, based on which harmonics are being attenuated. I would like to do this mathematically.

A good place to start to help refresh your memory is to do a Google Images search on Square Wave Spectrum. Then click on one of the simpler figures, and read the associated text at the website. You should be able to see how the coefficients of the harmonics roll off for an ideal square wave...
 
JoeBart said:
This is where it all falls apart for me. The text I'm working from mentions An and Bn as being real-number coefficients, but never explains how to find them. I'm trying to teach myself how to take the information from the original problem and plug it into the Fourier series. After 22 years it's like learning to read hieroglyphs. I can see how the 3 filters mentioned in the problem affect the waveform, in my head, based on which harmonics are being attenuated. I would like to do this mathematically.
I'd check out another text then. Also, as Berkeman said, googling is a good thing to try. Fourier series is a popular subject, so you'll probably run across many good tutorials on it and worked examples, probably a much easier read than your textbook.
 
Thank you all for the guidance. I've already collected some great info from your suggestions.
 

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