Using laplace transforms to solve system of (two) equations

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The discussion revolves around solving a system of first-order differential equations using Laplace transforms. The equations in question are x' = 3x - 4y and y' = 2x + 3y, with given initial conditions x(0) = 1 and y(0) = 0.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the process of taking the Laplace transform of the equations and express confusion regarding how to handle the terms involving both X(s) and Y(s). There is mention of solving the resulting equations simultaneously to express X(s) and Y(s) as functions of s.

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Some participants have made progress in expressing Y(s) and y(t), while others are still clarifying their understanding of the method. There is a recognition that the approach may be applicable to similar problems involving systems of equations.

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Participants are exploring the implications of initial conditions and the form of the final solutions, questioning whether the results should be presented as separate equations or combined into one. There is also a reference to a previous thread for additional context.

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Homework Statement


x' = 3x - 4y
y' = 2x + 3y

x(0) = 1
y(0) = 0

Homework Equations


y' = sY(s) - y(0)

The Attempt at a Solution


i am confused as to how to take laplace of either equation when i am left with a term i can't take the laplace of: specifically,
x' = 3x - 4y
sX(s) - 1 -3X(s) = -4Y(s)
Y(s)[s-3] - 1 = -4Y(s)

at this point i will usually solve for X(s) and then take the relevant inverse transforms. But what am i supposed to do with the Y(s)?? I know the general idea is to make this into an algebra prob of 2 equations and 2 unknowns but how do you take inv L.T. of an equation with X(s) and Y(s)?
thanks for any help.

(its same problem as here https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=249363 but thread is closed otherwise i wouldv resurrected thread.. that worked problem helped a lot but didnt explain how to take the transforms when x's and y's are in 1 equation...thanks for any help

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Homework Equations


The Attempt at a Solution

 
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Taking the laplace transform of

x' = 3x - 4y
y' = 2x + 3y

will give you two equations which only consist of X(s) and Y(s) (as it is there you have dx/dy,dy/dt,x and y in the equations which aren't too helpful).

Taking the Laplace transform will give you the two equations which you can solve simultaneously to get X(s) to be in some function of s, which you can then get x(t) from. Similarly, you can get Y(s) to be some function of s and then get y(t)
 
thanks for help... ok i don't know why i was having probs with Y(s)...anyway i get
Y(s) = 1/s+1
y(t) = e^-t

next solve other equation + inv L.T., then solve 2 equations 2 unknowns to get y(t) = and x(t) =?
thanks again

(also, is this the method to use for all these kinds of problems? (system of equations)?
 
fufufu said:
thanks for help... ok i don't know why i was having probs with Y(s)...anyway i get
Y(s) = 1/s+1
y(t) = e^-t

next solve other equation + inv L.T., then solve 2 equations 2 unknowns to get y(t) = and x(t) =?
thanks again

(also, is this the method to use for all these kinds of problems? (system of equations)?

Right so then just put back in Y(s) = 1/(s+1) and get X(s) to get x(t).

Usually this method will work as you have the initial conditions.
 
thanks for the help..
What form should the solution be in?
i just need to know if i am combining the equations correctly.. here's what i did:

x' = 3x - 4y...1
y' = 2x + 3y....2

solved for X(s) in 1
X(s) = -4Y(s)(1/s-3) + 1/s-3

took inverse L.T. of X(s)
x(t) = -4Y(s)(e^3t) + e^3t

inserted X(s) into #2
Y(s) = 2/(s-3)(s-3)^2 + 8

took inverse L.T. of Y(s)
y(t) = 2e^3t + (2/root8)e^3tsin(root8t)

plugged y(t) into x(t) equation:
x(t) = -8e^6t - 8/root8e^6tsin(root8t) + e^3t

so should the answer be in the form x(t) = and y(t) = ..or should it be one equation? thanks again
 
It would be in the form of two equations as that is how your equations were in the beginning.
 

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