Using stoke's theorem to calculate circulation

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The discussion revolves around applying Stokes' theorem to calculate the circulation of a vector field F around a specified curve C, which is defined by the intersection of a cylinder and a hemisphere. The vector field is given as F = x²y³i + j + zk, and the curve is described as the intersection of the cylinder x² + y² = 4 and the hemisphere x² + y² + z² = 16, with a counterclockwise orientation when viewed from above.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the computation of the curl of F and the determination of the normal vector n for the surface integral. There are questions about how to represent the intersection of the two surfaces and whether to use the cylinder or hemisphere for the surface integral. Some participants explore the implications of choosing different surfaces and the boundaries defined by them.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, exploring different surfaces that can be used to calculate the flux integral. There is a suggestion to use a flat planar disk for the surface integral, and some participants are seeking clarification on how to find parametric representations of intersection curves in other contexts.

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There is an ongoing discussion about the constraints of the problem, particularly regarding the intersection of the surfaces and the implications of choosing different surfaces for the integral. The specific values and equations involved in the problem are also under consideration.

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Homework Statement



Use the surface integral in stoke's theorem to calculate the circulation of the filed F around the curve C in the indicated direction:

F= x2y3i + j+ zk
C; the intersection of the cylinder x2+y2=4 and the hemisphere
x2+y2+z2=16, z>=0, counterclockwise when viewed from above

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Using stoke's theorem.
∫ ∫ curl F ⋅ n dS

I know how to compute the curl of F, but in this case how do I get the n? since it is an intersection of both surfaces? Do I need to equate them to each other and because x2+y2=4 ; correspondingly
x2+y2+z2=16 ==> becomes z^2=12?
 
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You have a choice of what surface to use which has the intersection curve as its boundary.

z2 = 12 tells you that the intersection curve lies on the plane z = 2sqrt(3), so the intersection curve is just x2+y2 = 4 on that plane. Now, the top portion of the sphere above the cylinder has that curve as its boundary, but so does the circle in the plane z = 2sqrt(3). The flux through either of those surfaces S satisfies

\int\int_S \nabla \times \vec F\cdot \hat n d S =\oint_C \vec F\cdot d\vec R

So use the flat planar disk with its normal direction given by the right hand rule (up in this case).
 
So, essentially, the boundaries of the radius is determined by whichever surface that has the smaller diameter? In this case, we use 0<r<2 (of the cylinder) instead of 0< r < 4 (of the hemisphere which has a bigger radius)?
 
charmmy said:
So, essentially, the boundaries of the radius is determined by whichever surface that has the smaller diameter? In this case, we use 0<r<2 (of the cylinder) instead of 0< r < 4 (of the hemisphere which has a bigger radius)?

I wouldn't put it that way. Two surfaces will generally intersect in a curve. How you get the equation of the curve varies with the problem. Sometimes, as in this problem, you can get the equations by substituting values from one equation into the other. Other times you can find a parametric representation of the intersection curve. In this case the intersection curve is a circle of radius 2 in the plane z = 2sqrt(3). You can use any surface bounded by that circle to calculate the flux integral. The easiest choice is the circular disk in that plane.
 
Thanks.. But to make it a bit more easy to understand, do you by any chance have any example where we have to find a parametric representation of the intersection curve, instead of being able to compute it directly by substitutions of equations? That would be of a great help!
 
charmmy said:
Thanks.. But to make it a bit more easy to understand, do you by any chance have any example where we have to find a parametric representation of the intersection curve, instead of being able to compute it directly by substitutions of equations? That would be of a great help!

OK, but you do realize in your current problem you don't want to do the circuit integral in the first place, right? You want to do the flux integral over the disc.

To answer your question, suppose you had a problem to integrate around the curve given by the intersection of the cylinder x2+y2 = 9 and the slanted plane z-y=4. Since the cylinder is circular, the slanted plane will intersect it in a slanted ellipse. In this kind of problem it might be well to use the cylindrical (polar) angle θ and represent the curve parametrically in terms of it:

\vec R(\theta) = \langle 3\cos\theta, 3\sin\theta,4 +3\sin\theta \rangle
 

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