Using the FTC to take a derivative

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The discussion revolves around applying the Fundamental Theorem of Calculus (FTC) to differentiate a definite integral involving the function f(t) = t/ln(t) with bounds from x to x². Participants are exploring the implications of continuity and the conditions under which the FTC can be applied.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply the FTC but questions the necessity of continuity on a closed interval for the function involved. They express confusion regarding the continuity of f(t) and its implications for the problem.
  • Some participants note that the problem implicitly assumes t > 0, leading to x > 0 and x² > 0, suggesting that continuity issues may not be problematic in this context.
  • Others raise concerns about whether the FTC can be applied if f is only continuous on an open interval, prompting further inquiry into the conditions required for the theorem's application.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants actively questioning the assumptions related to continuity and the application of the FTC. There is no explicit consensus, but some guidance has been offered regarding the conditions under which the FTC can be applied when x and x² are positive.

Contextual Notes

Participants are considering the implications of continuity for the function f(t) = t/ln(t) and its domain, particularly in relation to the bounds of the integral. The original poster is uncertain about how to formally address continuity in their solution.

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Homework Statement



Simplify the following:

d/dx[∫(t/lnt)dt] where the integral is a definite integral with bounds from x to x2

Homework Equations



The Fundamental THeorem of calculus says:

Suppose f is continuous on [a,b]

Then ∫abf(x)dx=F(b)-F(a) where F is any antiderivative of f

The Attempt at a Solution



So this is how I thought to solve it. Let f(t)=t/lnt

First notice that f(t) continuous on (1,c] forall c in ℝ => f(t) integrable and there exists an antiderivative F(t) such that F'(t) = f(t)So let F(t) be such an antiderivative. ***By the fundamental theorem of calculus,

∫f(t)dt (where the integral bounds are from x to x2=F(x2)-F(x)

This means

d/dx[∫f(t)dt] (where the integral bounds are from x to x2=d/dx[F(x2)-F(x)] = d/dx[F(x2)] - d/dx(F(x)] = 2xF'(x2) - F'(x) [by the Chain Rule] = 2x(x2/ln(x2)) - x/lnx = 2x3/2lnx - x/lnx [by rules of logarithm] = (x3-x)/lnx (common denominator and added them together)So I get that as long as the bounds on the integral are from (0,c), the answer to
d/dx[∫(t/lnt)dt] where the integral is a definite integral with bounds from x to x2 = (x3-x)/lnxOK here is my problem, the book solves this almost exactly the same way, but they never make any mention of the bounds on the integral or continuity. I guess I am confused. Do I not need to think about where the function is continuous? It's just part of the FTC says "Suppose f is continuous on [a,b]" so it seems to me like I can only apply it when that part holds. Why don't you need to think of continuity in this case? There is no restriction in the problem statement about x. How do you solve this problem for any general x? Also the other problem, is the line where I put ***. I think I've done something wrong here because this function is only continuous on the open region (1,c] for all c, but the FTC requires f be continuous on a closed bounded region [a,b]. So do I just pick a number great than 1, say [1.1,c]? I mean what's the formal way to solve this with regards to the continuity aspect?
 
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Your problem implicitly assumes ##t>0## hence ##x>0## and ##x^2>0## because ##t>0## is the domain of ##\ln(t)##. So there is no problem.
 
But doesn't f need to be continuous on a closed bounded interval [a,b]? ln(t) is only continuous on (0,c] for all c in R.Can you apply the FTC if f is only continuous on an interval (a,b]?
 
dumbQuestion said:
But doesn't f need to be continuous on a closed bounded interval [a,b]? ln(t) is only continuous on (0,c] for all c in R.


Can you apply the FTC if f is only continuous on an interval (a,b]?

Likely not; I'd have to check. But it doesn't matter for this question. If ##x## and ##x^2## are both positive, then all your conditions are true on the closed interval between them so you can use the FTC.
 

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