Using the Triangle Inequality to Prove Transitivity in Metric Spaces

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The discussion revolves around proving properties of metric spaces, specifically focusing on the triangle inequality and its implications for transitivity. Participants are exploring the relationships between distances in a metric space and the conditions under which certain properties hold.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • The original poster attempts to use the triangle inequality to establish relationships between distances, questioning how to derive symmetry from their assumptions. Other participants raise concerns about the assumptions being used and suggest that the original poster may need to reconsider their approach.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some offering hints and questioning the assumptions made by the original poster. There is a recognition of the need to clarify the properties of metric spaces, but no consensus has been reached on the best approach to take.

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There is a mention of specific axioms related to metric spaces that may not have been fully considered by the original poster. The discussion highlights the importance of understanding the foundational properties of metrics in relation to the problem at hand.

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I want to show the triangle inequality, d(x,x)=0, d(x,y)[tex]\neq[/tex]0 for x[tex]\neq[/tex]y
implies that d(x,y)=d(y,x).

Note that I do not have d(x,y)>0. But I know how to show this if I can get the transitive property.

I have been trying to use the triangle ineq. to establish
d(x,y)>=d(y,x) and d(x,y)<=d(y,x) but I can't get it to fall out.

I don't have to many choices of things to do here but I still can not make the inequality work. Any hints?
 
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d(x,y) < d(x,z) + d(z,y) < d(x,y) + d(y,z) + d(z,y)
 
To the OP: Are you sure you're not supposed to deduce all the properties of a metric space from these two axioms, 1. d(x,y) = 0 iff x = y and 2. [tex]d(x,y) \leq d(z,x) + d(z,y) ?[/tex]

The only difference between your assumptions and the assumptions I listed is that my inequality is not exactly the triangle inequality, though it would be if we could presuppose the symmetry of the argument (which is what you are trying to prove); that or I am completely missing something in VeeEight's post.
 
snipez90 you're right! I was using the wrong assumption... Unfortunately I am still having trouble figuring this out.

The assumption I should have been using was:
d(x, x) = 0, d(x, z) , 0 for x , z, and
d(x, z) [tex]\leq[/tex] d(z,w) + d(w, x)
 
I also have trouble seeing how that inequality will allow you to reach the desired conclusion. Note that in the inequality I wrote down, non-negativity is almost immediate since you know which side you want to be 0 and replacing the appropriate variable(s) establishes this.
 

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