Using trig to find solutions to a quintic

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The problem involves finding solutions to the quintic equation 16x5 - 20x3 + 5x + 1 = 0, using the relationship cos5θ = 16cos5θ - 20cos3θ + 5cosθ. The original poster attempts to relate the variable x to cosθ and explore the implications of cos5θ being equal to -1.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the infinite solutions to cos5θ = -1 and question how to determine which three solutions correspond to the quintic equation. There is a suggestion to consider the values of cosθ for specific angles.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, exploring the relationship between the angles and the quintic equation. Some guidance has been offered regarding how to identify the relevant solutions, but there is no explicit consensus on the final answers yet.

Contextual Notes

There is an emphasis on the limited number of distinct values for cosθ, despite the infinite solutions for θ. The discussion hints at the constraints of the homework problem, including its relatively low mark value.

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Homework Statement



Given that

[itex]cos5θ=16cos^{5}θ-20cos^{3}θ+5cosθ[/itex]

Find the 3 solutions to

[itex]16x^{5}-20x^{3}+5x+1=0[/itex]

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I have let [itex]x=cosθ[/itex] and [itex]θ=cos^{-1}x[/itex]
and I know that [itex]cos5θ=-1[/itex]
 
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hi conorordan! :smile:
conorordan said:
I have let [itex]x=cosθ[/itex] and [itex]θ=cos^{-1}x[/itex]
and I know that [itex]cos5θ=-1[/itex]

that's right! :smile:

so what are the 3 solutions to cos5θ = -1 ? :wink:
 
tiny-tim said:
hi conorordan! :smile:


that's right! :smile:

so what are the 3 solutions to cos5θ = -1 ? :wink:

Well there are infinite solutions to it, how am I to know which 3 will satisfy the quintic above?
 
conorordan said:
Well there are infinite solutions to it

agreed :smile:

but don't lose the plot :wink:

you're only interested in cosθ (=x), and there aren't infinitely many values of that! :smile:
 
tiny-tim said:
agreed :smile:

but don't lose the plot :wink:

you're only interested in cosθ (=x), and there aren't infinitely many values of that! :smile:

Are you suggesting I plot graphs of cos x and the horrific quintic above? It must be much simpler, this is only a 4 mark question!
 
no :biggrin:

write on one line the infinitely many solutions for θ

write on the next line the values of cosθ for those values of θ

on the next line, cross out any duplicates …

how many are left? :wink:
 
tiny-tim said:
no :biggrin:

write on one line the infinitely many solutions for θ

write on the next line the values of cosθ for those values of θ

on the next line, cross out any duplicates …

how many are left? :wink:

Okay I see now, so x=cosθ for π/5, 5π/3 and π will give me my 3 solutions?
 
(you mean 3π/5 :wink:)

yup! :biggrin:
 
tiny-tim said:
(you mean 3π/5 :wink:)


Indeed! Thanks for the help!
 

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