Vacuum pump and creation of vacuum

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The discussion centers on the efficiency and power consumption of vacuum pumps, particularly in achieving a pressure of 1 Torr. Historical references to Otto Von Guericke's experiments highlight the significant advancements in vacuum technology over the past centuries. The proposed design of a modern reciprocating vacuum piston pump using graphite and Teflon aims to improve performance, suggesting that a 4-cylinder pump could evacuate a 7 cubic meter container to 1 Torr in approximately 10 seconds. However, participants question the high power requirements of contemporary pumps, which can range from 11.1 kW to 19.3 kW, despite the relatively low mass of air compared to water.

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  • Understanding of vacuum pressure measurements, specifically Torr and mBar.
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  • Knowledge of vacuum pump types, including diaphragm and rotary pumps.
  • Basic concepts of mechanical engineering related to piston design and efficiency.
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Is it easier and faster to create a vacuum of 1 Torr in the 21st. Century than it was

  • Yes

    Votes: 2 28.6%
  • Yes, but it would need more energy

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • No

    Votes: 1 14.3%
  • Yes, with a fraction of the energy

    Votes: 4 57.1%

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    7
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I have got confirmation of sorts in the form of a pump that works at 1000 m3 h. (Which works out to 16.6 m3minute). with a power consumption of 1.5 Kw and pumps down to 10 -4 mbar which is much above 1 Torr (1.3mbar). To clarify, although the motor rating is about 5 Kw the power consumption is 1.5 Kw. Considering that the hypothetical problem set here was for a 7 cubic metre tank (i.e., about 2.5 times less than 16.6 cubic metre), and a final pressure of 1 Torr against 10-4 mbar. Which is about 10 -6 Torr. I think the original figure I had given of a power consumption of about 250 W is well within limits. Still nothing like taking practical measurements as you had stated. Thanks for the input.
 
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And how much energy is required to evacuate your hypothetical 7m3 tank? (the PV value). What running time for your motor would this represent and at what power??

There still seems to be (units) confusion as to whether you are talking about Energy or Power. A given power of motor can supply as much energy as you want, by running it for the appropriate time. Are you, perhaps, referring to the Power needed to maintain this 1Torr, once it's been reached?

Have you actually measured the power consumption of the 5kW rated motor? What method did you use? A real Power or Watt-Hour Meter - or just V and I? Where do you get your "250W" from? I should have expected the power from the motor to start high and then to reduce to a steady value - is that what happened?
When people describe the observations they have made on these forums, you can never be sure whether they have the whole of the CERN facilities or a Multimeter from Maplin haha.

You can see why Peer - Reviewed papers are required before the establishment will accept evidence to support any theory. We could be talking at completely cross purposes (all too common, I find - and it's not always my fault :wink:).
 

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