Value of Heat transfer coefficient

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the heat transfer coefficient (h) for a circular cross-section of steel with air flowing around it at a constant temperature of 350°C. Participants explore methods to determine h, particularly through the use of the Nusselt number, and discuss the implications for modeling temperature profiles within the cylinder using COMSOL.

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  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to calculate the heat flux but lacks the value of the heat transfer coefficient (h) for their setup.
  • Another participant suggests looking up the Nusselt number, indicating that empirical relations exist for the specific geometry.
  • A request for additional information about the Nusselt number is made, including a reference to a picture that was not posted.
  • Participants recommend consulting textbooks and online resources to find the Nusselt number and related parameters needed for calculations.
  • One participant emphasizes that the internal conditions of the cylinder do not affect the heat transfer coefficient if the cylinder is assumed to be at a constant temperature.
  • A participant expresses a goal of determining the time it takes for the cylinder's interior to reach 350°C, indicating a need for the heat transfer coefficient in their COMSOL model.
  • Another participant insists that finding the heat transfer coefficient is straightforward if the Nusselt number is utilized.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of the Nusselt number in determining the heat transfer coefficient, but there is disagreement on the complexity of obtaining the value of h, with some asserting it is straightforward while others find it complicated.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not resolved the specific dependencies or assumptions related to the geometry and flow conditions that might affect the Nusselt number and heat transfer coefficient.

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I have a circular cross-section of steel, around which I have air of constant temperature flowing. I want to calculate the heat flux, but I don't have the value of heat transfer coefficient,h (W/m^2.K) between steel and this air at 350C. Please suggest how to get the value for h. I am neglecting any heat loss.
 
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Look up a parameter called the Nusselt number. I am pretty sure there are empirical relations that will give you the Nusselt number for your exact setup.
 
boneh3ad said:
Look up a parameter called the Nusselt number. I am pretty sure there are empirical relations that will give you the Nusselt number for your exact setup.

where can I get nusselt number for my geometry [please see the pic]??
 
You didn't post a pic. Check out "Introduction to Heat Transfer" by Incropera and DeWitt or "Heat Transfer" by Mills, for example.

Also, a quick Google search nets a lot, for example http://www.egr.msu.edu/~somerton/Nusselt/ .
 
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And? If your goal is to get the heat transfer around the cylinder, it doesn't depend on the inside if you are just assuming the cylinder is a certain temperature. Either way, the inside doesn't affect the heat transfer coefficient, only the heat conduction through the cylinder itself.

In other words, look up the relation in a book or through Google (hint: the link I gave you) and just compute the heat transfer coefficient. You just have to look up the values for a few parameters in your flow so you know the Reynolds number, Prandtl number and thermal conductivity of the fluid. Those can be readily found from many sources.
 
basically, I am trying to see the temperature profile inside the cylinder after a certain period using COMSOL. I am using internal heat flux boundary condition where my external temperature is at 350C and value of heat transfer coefficient has to be given also. So how much time it takes for the cyllinder inside to reach 350C, is my objective. But value of h seems to be very complicated.
 
I keep telling you it isn't. You have all the information you need. Use the Nusselt number. I even gave you a link.
 

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