Two-phase flow heat transfer coefficient

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A basic model for calculating the heat transfer coefficient in a tube with sub-cooled water transitioning to steam was discussed, focusing on a two-phase flow scenario. The initial phase uses a correlation for sub-cooled flow, while the challenge lies in estimating the heat transfer during the boiling phase, particularly at low steam quality (0.15). It was suggested that the boiling heat transfer coefficient is significantly higher than that of sub-cooled flow, allowing for a rough approximation by neglecting boiling effects. The conversation also touched on calculating the hydraulic diameter for a triangular pitch in a heat exchanger and the impact of pressure on water properties. Overall, the discussion emphasizes the need for simplified models and empirical correlations to estimate heat transfer in complex fluid dynamics scenarios.
  • #31
Chestermiller said:
So what do you want to do next?
I'd like to know what ##h## I should use in the case that the outlet flow rate has a quality of steam of 0.2 (20%). Thanks again for your time.

For example is 1st case (##v_l = 4.5## m/s) I get ##h_l \approx 20000## and ##h_v \approx 10000## W/m^2/°C
 
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  • #32
Bird, Stewart, and Lightfoot give typical values for forced convection of 500-10000 for water. For gases, 50-500. Is it possible that you are using too small a diameter?

What fraction of the tube length is covered before the vapor begins forming. Also, the entire tube length after that is not going to be 20% quality.
 
  • #33
Ok so my approach has changed. The final goal is to find a suitable value for ##h##. The steam generator I am considering is one from a nuclear power plant so I looked for papers about steam generators which met the data I have in mind and I reverse-engineered the problem and I calculated ##h## from ##Q = UA \Delta T_{ml}##. I have found a value of ##h## from 9000 to 12000 (slightly changing some parameters to see how much they weight). This looks ok, I think. Only thing I don't like is that I also get a velocity for the liquid of 0.34 m/s... I have really no idea whether this could be a reasonable value or not. I was expecting something around 3 or 4 m/s but I'm not sure
 
  • #34
dRic2 said:
Ok so my approach has changed. The final goal is to find a suitable value for ##h##. The steam generator I am considering is one from a nuclear power plant so I looked for papers about steam generators which met the data I have in mind and I reverse-engineered the problem and I calculated ##h## from ##Q = UA \Delta T_{ml}##. I have found a value of ##h## from 9000 to 12000 (slightly changing some parameters to see how much they weight). This looks ok, I think. Only thing I don't like is that I also get a velocity for the liquid of 0.34 m/s... I have really no idea whether this could be a reasonable value or not. I was expecting something around 3 or 4 m/s but I'm not sure
If you are aware of the design and operating conditions in the actual plant, are you doubting your ability to back out the flow velocity? That value doesn't seem very unreasonable to me.
 
  • #35
Chestermiller said:
are you doubting your ability to back out the flow velocity?
Well... I always blunder a lot of stuff when doing calculations... so I never actually trust myself if I don't have an idea of what the result might look like.

Anyway, assuming I didn't make a mistake I found the value which seems to agree with your predictions/considerations. Thanks again for your time.
 

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