Undergrad Van der Waals attractive force: Why don't the imbalances average out?

Click For Summary
The discussion focuses on the transient shift in electron density that leads to Van der Waals forces, which occur at distances of 0.4 to 0.6 nanometers between atoms. This shift creates a temporary charge that can attract or repel nearby atoms. The average interactions are considered through the sum of various strengths based on angles and distances. When two close spheres experience polarization, the induced charges lead to an attraction between them. The concept of induction is highlighted as a key factor in understanding these interactions.
nomadreid
Gold Member
Messages
1,762
Reaction score
248
TL;DR
When a van der Waals force between two objects is attractive (before getting too close), it is due to the variable distribution of electrical charge between the molecules. But why wouldn't this variation average out (+ + /+ -/- +/- -) to give zero?
The summary refers, for example, to the Wikipedia explanation
"The force results from a transient shift in electron density. Specifically, the electron density may temporarily shift more greatly to one side of the nucleus. This generates a transient charge to which a nearby atom can be either attracted or repelled."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_der_Waals_force

(for a distance between atoms of between 0.4 to 0.6 nanometers, as explained in that article)

Also, when I speak of the average (+ + /+ -/- +/- -) , this would include the sum (integral) of all the different strengths according to the angles, distances, etc. But the idea is still the same.
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Consider two close spheres, (±) (±). One becomes momentarily polarised, +()– (±). The other sphere then takes an induced polarisation in the same direction, +()– +()–. The closest points on the spheres have opposite charge so attraction dominates.
 
Thank you, Baluncore. I had not considered induction. Question answered! :smile:
 
Topic about reference frames, center of rotation, postion of origin etc Comoving ref. frame is frame that is attached to moving object, does that mean, in that frame translation and rotation of object is zero, because origin and axes(x,y,z) are fixed to object? Is it same if you place origin of frame at object center of mass or at object tail? What type of comoving frame exist? What is lab frame? If we talk about center of rotation do we always need to specified from what frame we observe?

Similar threads

  • · Replies 23 ·
Replies
23
Views
2K
  • · Replies 24 ·
Replies
24
Views
8K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
2K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
3K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
1K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
3K
  • · Replies 15 ·
Replies
15
Views
8K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
65K