Vander Wall Gas Thermometer: Ideal Gas Law and Triple Point Calibration

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The discussion revolves around a constant volume gas thermometer that utilizes the Van der Waals equation to describe the behavior of gas under certain conditions. The original poster is tasked with determining the temperature measurement error at 100°C, given the parameters of the gas and its calibration at the triple point of water.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore the interpretation of the problem, questioning whether the error refers to the difference between the measured temperature and the ideal gas temperature. There is discussion about using the Van der Waals equation versus the ideal gas law for accuracy.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering various interpretations and approaches. Some suggest using the Van der Waals equation directly to find temperature, while others express uncertainty about how to handle the variables involved. There is no explicit consensus on the best approach, but several lines of reasoning are being explored.

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There is acknowledgment of the vague nature of the question, particularly regarding the variables involved in the calculations. Participants note the need to clarify how to express pressure and temperature within the context of the equations provided.

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Homework Statement


A constant volume gas thermometer of volume V contains n amount of moles of gas. Assume the gas obeys the ideal gas law pv=nRt. The behavior is better described by:
\left(p+a\frac{n^2}{V^2}\right)\left(\frac{V}{n}-b\right)=RT
a=0.1, b=3e^-5. The thermometer is calibrated at the triple point of water. How much will the temp measure in error at 100 C?

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I must be misinterpreting something. Do they mean error of the former with respect with the later?
Do I plug in temp for Vander, find pressure, plug that in for ideal gas law and find the temp?
The error being the difference between 100C-T(ideal)?
 
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As far as I remember this the constant volume gas thermometer takes a series of readings and graphically extrapolates these to a zero pressure where the the gas is theoretically perfectly ideal.Therefore I think that with this example the ordinary ideal gas equation gives the most accurate answer.
 
But it even says explicitly that the behavior is better described by:Vander Wals.
My question still stands: Do they want me to find the error by finding the pressure in Vanders, plug that into the ideal gas equation and get a temperature? Then get the error?
 
Van der Waals is a much better approximation of how real gases behave but his equation approaches the ideal equation as P tends to zero.If the thermometer was used to take just one set of readings then van der waals would give the most accurate answer.If , however, the extrapolation technique I referred to was used then both equations would give the same and most accurate answer.Your question is a little unclear but I think they want you to assume that 100 degrees is the most accurate answer and they want you to plug values into vans equation to find T.
 
Thanks for the response Dadface. But What would I plug into p? I would have two unknows: p and T.
Yah I know, the question they stated is kind of vague.
 
I think they want you to express the error in terms of P and V.Try multiplying out the brackets in vans equation and take it from there.
 
In fact multiplying out is probably not necessary.use vans equation, plug in the values you have and re arrange to get T
 
You can figure out what V/n is (from van der Waal's equation) if you know P and T at the triple point.

Knowing V/n, you can figure out P (again from vdW eqn) when T=100C.
 
completenoob said:
Thanks for the response Dadface. But What would I plug into p? I would have two unknows: p and T.
Yah I know, the question they stated is kind of vague.
increase the size of molecule
 

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