Vapor Pressure: Closed-Systems Only? Open or Closed?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of vapor pressure and whether it is applicable in closed systems only or if it can also exist in open systems. Participants explore the definitions and implications of vapor pressure in different types of systems, including theoretical and practical considerations.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether vapor pressure is only possible in closed systems, specifically asking about the conditions under which vapor pressure can exist in open systems.
  • Others argue that it does not matter if the system is closed or open, suggesting that vapor pressure can be present in both scenarios.
  • A participant points out that in an open system, such as a vessel without a lid, there are conditions under which vapor pressure can be created, specifically at the interface between liquid and gas phases.
  • Another participant clarifies that vapor pressure is a type of partial pressure of a specific gas, typically water, and does not differ fundamentally from the partial pressures of other gases.
  • One participant emphasizes that the partial pressure at the interface equals the vapor pressure, while further away from the interface, the partial pressure is less than the vapor pressure, indicating a driving force for vapor transport.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether vapor pressure is restricted to closed systems or if it can also occur in open systems. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing perspectives presented.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of vapor pressure and atmospheric pressure, as well as the conditions necessary for vapor pressure to exist in open systems.

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Vapor pressure possible only in closed system? b.p is when vapor pressure become equal to atmospheric pressure in which system closed or open ?
 
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Doesn't matter whether the system is closed or open.
 
Borek said:
Doesn't matter whether the system is closed or open.
But in open system let's say a vessel without a lid ,how vapor pressure would be created in such conditions?
 
Go outside, is there vacuum around, or a pressure of around 1 atm?
 
Borek said:
Go outside, is there vacuum around, or a pressure of around 1 atm?
But that is atmospheric pressure ,i am talking about vapor pressure.Is vapor pressure a type of or same as atmospheric pressure ?
 
Pressure is a pressure is a pressure. Vapor pressure is just a partial pressure of a particular gas (typically water), but it doesn't differ from partial pressures or any other gases. If you stand over a puddle of a liquid nitrogen, you can call nitrogen pressure a "vapor pressure".
 
gracy said:
But in open system let's say a vessel without a lid ,how vapor pressure would be created in such conditions?
In this situation, the partial pressure at the interface between the liquid and gas phases is equal to the vapor pressure. At distances further from the interface, the partial pressure is less than the vapor pressure. So there is a driving force for the vapor to transport away from the interface through the air.

Chet
 

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