Vapor Pressure in fresh vs salt water

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The discussion centers on the differences in vapor pressure between pure water and saltwater solutions, specifically addressing the effects of solute concentration on vapor pressure. Participants explore theoretical explanations, including intermolecular forces and entropy considerations, as well as the implications of Raoult's Law.

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  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that the vapor pressure of pure water is higher than that of saltwater due to cohesive forces between salt and water, which create stronger intermolecular bonds.
  • One participant suggests that the polarity of sodium chloride contributes to stronger interactions with water compared to water's self-interaction, leading to a decrease in vapor pressure.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of entropy, proposing that the entropy of the liquid state versus the gaseous state and the entropy of the solution compared to pure water can explain the vapor pressure differences.
  • Some argue that the presence of solute molecules at the surface reduces the number of volatile solvent molecules available for evaporation, thus lowering the vapor pressure.
  • There is mention of Raoult's Law, which is said to hold well at low dilutions, indicating that the mole fraction of the solvent is the primary factor affecting vapor pressure, regardless of the solute type.
  • One participant expresses a preference for the entropy-based explanation as more elegant, while acknowledging that it may be less intuitive for instructional purposes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple competing views regarding the mechanisms behind vapor pressure changes in saltwater solutions, with no consensus reached on the most accurate or comprehensive explanation.

Contextual Notes

Some arguments rely on assumptions about intermolecular forces and the applicability of Raoult's Law, which may not hold under all conditions. The discussion also touches on the complexity of entropy changes during vaporization without resolving these nuances.

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For water at 30°C, when 100 g of pure water the vapor pressure is 31.82 mm Hg
and when 50g of NaCl dissolved in 100g of water vapor pressure is 27.68 mm Hg

The vapor pressure of pure water is different than the vapor pressure of water in a salt water solution. Explain why.

Can anyone get me started? I have no idea how to approach this...thanks.
 
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physicsss said:
For water at 30°C, when 100 g of pure water the vapor pressure is 31.82 mm Hg The vapor pressure of pure water is different than the vapor pressure of water in a salt water solution. Explain why.
The vapor pressure decreases due to cohesive forces between the salt and the water. If you pull out your periodic table of electronegativities, you will see that sodium chloride is considerably more polar than water is. Due to that extra polarity, water can make much stronger bonds to sodium chloride than it can to itself. Stronger inter/intramolecular forces in solution always cause the vapor pressure to decrease.

You can also have the opposite happen. If you add something nonpolar such as carbon disulphide, the vapor pressure will increase considerably since water and carbon disulphide don't attract each other that much.
 
You can also explain this in terms of entropy, try it yourself.

Compare the entropy of liquid vs gaseous state

Compare the entropy state of the solution v.s pure water

Which one would experience the greatest unfavorable entropy change due to vaporization?
 
ShawnD said:
The vapor pressure decreases due to cohesive forces between the salt and the water. If you pull out your periodic table of electronegativities, you will see that sodium chloride is considerably more polar than water is. Due to that extra polarity, water can make much stronger bonds to sodium chloride than it can to itself. Stronger inter/intramolecular forces in solution always cause the vapor pressure to decrease.

You can also have the opposite happen. If you add something nonpolar such as carbon disulphide, the vapor pressure will increase considerably since water and carbon disulphide don't attract each other that much.
More important is the fact that the solute molecules make up the surface of the solution in hte same mole fraction as in the bulk. Since evaporation is a surface phenomenon, by reducing the fraction of volatile solvent molecules in the surface, you alter the liquid-vapor equilibrium. The more solute molecules you have in the surface, the fewer solvent molecules there are, and hence the lower is the evaporation rate. The equilibrium constant for evaporation, which is a linear function of the vapor pressure is merely the ratio of the forward and reverse rate constants. By lowering the forward rate constant (while fixing that for the reverse), you reduce the vapor pressure proportionally. This explains whay Raoult's Law is approximately correct.

The ionic character of the solute has only a weak effect on the vapor pressure. That's why Raoult's Law works very well in low dilutions. The only factor that affects the vapor pressure is the mole fraction of the solvent, and no matter whether the solute is NaCl or CuSO4, a 0.01 mole fraction solution will see a 1% lowering of the vapor pressure.

Even the above argument uses some extent of hand-waviness, and the explanation based on entropy is far more elegant, in my opinion (but perhaps less intuitive, at the intructional level).
 

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