Variation of Energy for Dielectrics (Zangwill's Electrodynamics)

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The discussion revolves around the variation of total energy U of a dielectric in the presence of a charged conductor as presented in Zangwill's Modern Electrodynamics, specifically focusing on equations related to the electric field E and the displacement field D. Participants are exploring the implications and validity of these equations in the context of dielectric materials.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the relationship between the total electric field E and the displacement field D, questioning the validity of the equation for E when D is not constant over the volume.
  • Another participant critiques Zangwill's presentation in section 6.7.1, suggesting it is confusing and not suitable for self-study, while advocating for alternative textbooks that provide clearer derivations.
  • A participant mentions having received contrary advice about Zangwill's clarity compared to Jackson's text, indicating a mixed experience with the material.
  • There is a request for clarification specifically on equation 6.93, rather than equation 6.94, indicating a focus on understanding the electric field in terms of the partial derivative of U.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the clarity and effectiveness of Zangwill's text, with some expressing strong criticism while others defend its value. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific equations and their implications.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of the material and the potential for misunderstanding, particularly in the context of varying fields within dielectrics. There is an acknowledgment of differing opinions on the suitability of Zangwill's text for self-study.

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Hello PhysicsForums community,

I have been reading through Zangwill's Modern Electrodynamics all on my own, and I've just joined here hoping I can post some questions that come up for me. To start, I am confused about something in section 6.7.1, concerning the variation of total energy U of a dielectric in the presence of a charged conductor. This is given by (6.87)

$$\delta U = \int d^3 r \, \vec E \cdot \delta \vec D$$

where E is the total electric field, D is the auxiliary/displacement field.

Then, the books says (6.93)

$$ \vec E = 1/V(∂U/∂ \vec D)$$

I understand (ignoring any center of mass dependence) that using the logic of total differentials I can write

$$\delta U = (∂U/∂ \vec D) \cdot \delta \vec D$$

So it follows that

$$\int d^3 r \, \vec E \cdot \delta \vec D = (∂U/∂ \vec D) \cdot \delta \vec D$$

But the given equation for E only seems valid if E and D are constant over the volume, which isn't generally true. What am I misunderstanding? How does the equation for E follow?

Thanks for any guidance.
 
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I have looked at my copy of Zangwill. Section 6.7.1 is confused, confusing, and should not be in a textbook.
I have seen simple straightforward derivations of his equation 6.94 in many textbooks. Just look at any other book. Zangwill is not a book you should read or try to understand by yourself.
 
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Meir Achuz said:
I have looked at my copy of Zangwill. Section 6.7.1 is confused, confusing, and should not be in a textbook.
I have seen simple straightforward derivations of his equation 6.94 in many textbooks. Just look at any other book. Zangwill is not a book you should read or try to understand by yourself.

I got the opposite advice before I started - that Zangwill was better/clearer than Jackson, and now I am six chapters in (to be fair I can follow ~90% of it without issues).

Also, I was hoping to understand 6.93 (electric field in terms of partial derivative of U) not 6.94.
 
Zangwill is not a bad book, but compared to Jackson...
 

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