A Variation of Energy for Dielectrics (Zangwill's Electrodynamics)

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The discussion centers on confusion regarding the variation of total energy in dielectrics as presented in Zangwill's "Modern Electrodynamics," specifically in section 6.7.1. The user questions the validity of the equation for the electric field E in relation to the displacement field D, noting that it seems applicable only under constant conditions, which is not typically the case. They express frustration with the clarity of Zangwill's explanations, suggesting that simpler derivations can be found in other textbooks. Despite some initial positive feedback about Zangwill's clarity compared to Jackson's work, the user ultimately finds Zangwill's treatment of the subject less accessible. The discussion highlights the challenges of self-studying complex topics in electrodynamics.
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Hello PhysicsForums community,

I have been reading through Zangwill's Modern Electrodynamics all on my own, and I've just joined here hoping I can post some questions that come up for me. To start, I am confused about something in section 6.7.1, concerning the variation of total energy U of a dielectric in the presence of a charged conductor. This is given by (6.87)

$$\delta U = \int d^3 r \, \vec E \cdot \delta \vec D$$

where E is the total electric field, D is the auxiliary/displacement field.

Then, the books says (6.93)

$$ \vec E = 1/V(∂U/∂ \vec D)$$

I understand (ignoring any center of mass dependence) that using the logic of total differentials I can write

$$\delta U = (∂U/∂ \vec D) \cdot \delta \vec D$$

So it follows that

$$\int d^3 r \, \vec E \cdot \delta \vec D = (∂U/∂ \vec D) \cdot \delta \vec D$$

But the given equation for E only seems valid if E and D are constant over the volume, which isn't generally true. What am I misunderstanding? How does the equation for E follow?

Thanks for any guidance.
 
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I have looked at my copy of Zangwill. Section 6.7.1 is confused, confusing, and should not be in a textbook.
I have seen simple straightforward derivations of his equation 6.94 in many textbooks. Just look at any other book. Zangwill is not a book you should read or try to understand by yourself.
 
Meir Achuz said:
I have looked at my copy of Zangwill. Section 6.7.1 is confused, confusing, and should not be in a textbook.
I have seen simple straightforward derivations of his equation 6.94 in many textbooks. Just look at any other book. Zangwill is not a book you should read or try to understand by yourself.

I got the opposite advice before I started - that Zangwill was better/clearer than Jackson, and now I am six chapters in (to be fair I can follow ~90% of it without issues).

Also, I was hoping to understand 6.93 (electric field in terms of partial derivative of U) not 6.94.
 
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