Variation of pressure with depth

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The problem involves understanding the variation of pressure with depth in a fluid, specifically relating to a pressure gauge and its piston mechanism as it is submerged in water. The context includes the force constant of the gauge's spring and the diameter of the piston.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the role of atmospheric pressure in calculations related to gauge pressure and how it affects the movement of the piston. Questions arise regarding the inclusion of atmospheric pressure in the pressure equations and the relationship between pressure change and spring compression.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants exploring the implications of including or excluding atmospheric pressure in their calculations. Some guidance has been provided regarding the concept of gauge pressure and its relationship to the spring's compression.

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Participants are navigating the definitions of absolute pressure versus gauge pressure and how these relate to the physical setup of the problem. There is an ongoing examination of the assumptions made in the calculations.

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Homework Statement


the spring of the pressure gauge. has a force constant of 1250 N/m, and the piston has a diameter of .012m. As the gauge is lowered into water in a lake, what change in depth causes the piston to move by .0075 m


Homework Equations


P= P_{0} + \rhogh variation with pressure
P=F/A

The Attempt at a Solution


I did this problem including P_{0} (atmospheric pressure) and it was wrong, then did it without atmospheric pressure and got it right. I am confused as to why atmospheric pressure is not included. because Isn't the pressure at P at a depth H below a point in the liquid at which pressure is P_{0} by an amount \rhogh?
 
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The piston moves due to a change in the pressure, doesn't it?

So, above surface the pressure is already P_0, which corresponds to a certain compression x_0. Under the surface your equation holds and gives a compression x(P)=x_0+\Delta x. What is \Delta x?
 
Ah, so when I am calculating the force to move the spring F=kx 1250 X .0075, I can think atmospheric pressure is included in this calculation. Then I just end up with P=ρgh?
 
Yes, that's right. \Delta x only depends on \rho g h (and vice versa). By the way, this is why we often call this pressure (i.e. absolute pressure minus atmospheric pressure) gauge pressure.
 

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