Variation statement into graphs- Right?

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The discussion revolves around the application of the formula F = kQq/R² to sketch graphs representing the relationships between force (F), charge (Q), and distance (R). Participants are exploring the concepts of direct and inverse variation in the context of these variables.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the proportional relationships between F and Q, F and R, and Q and R, questioning the nature of these relationships and the implications for graphing.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about whether certain expressions represent direct or inverse relationships, particularly regarding the square in the inverse relationship.
  • Questions arise about the implications of expressing variables in different forms and how that affects the interpretation of the relationships.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the relationships between the variables, with some participants providing supportive feedback and raising clarifying questions. The discussion reflects a mix of understanding and confusion, particularly around the concepts of direct versus inverse variation.

Contextual Notes

Participants are grappling with the definitions of proportionality and the implications of the formula used, indicating a need for clarity on the relationships being discussed. There is mention of homework constraints and the challenge of accurately representing these relationships graphically.

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My first post, yay i already like the atmosphere here :P anyway...

Using the formula F = kQq/R2 sketch graphs between
a. F and Q (k,q, and R are constant)

b. F and R (Q,q and k are constant)

c. Q and R (k,q and F are constant)


I think i did it correctly but I'm not quite sure.

a) I wrote that F is directly proportional to Q so i guess its Direct Variation graph.

b) Is 1 / R^2 inversely proportional? And is the graph the same as y= 1/x or should it be y=SQUAREROOT of 1/x but then it wouldn't make sense?

c) i got it so that it's R = SQUAREROOT of Q so it's direct root graph?

I hope that's correct! Can anybody double check?

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xNick94 said:
My first post, yay i already like the atmosphere here :P anyway...

Using the formula F = kQq/R2 sketch graphs between
a. F and Q (k,q, and R are constant)

b. F and R (Q,q and k are constant)

c. Q and R (k,q and F are constant)


I think i did it correctly but I'm not quite sure.

a) I wrote that F is directly proportional to Q so i guess its Direct Variation graph.

b) Is 1 / R^2 inversely proportional? And is the graph the same as y= 1/x or should it be y=SQUAREROOT of 1/x but then it wouldn't make sense?

c) i got it so that it's R = SQUAREROOT of Q so it's direct root graph?

I hope that's correct! Can anybody double check?

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Your (a) sounds good

In (b) you said it was 1 / R^2, then immediately inversely proportional. What happened to the square?

(c) is a true statement, but why express R in terms of Q, when the question said Q in terms of R ?
 
PeterO said:
Your (a) sounds good

In (b) you said it was 1 / R^2, then immediately inversely proportional. What happened to the square?

(c) is a true statement, but why express R in terms of Q, when the question said Q in terms of R ?

Thanks for your reply,
I suspected it could be Square.root 1/R.

and does it really make a difference if you express it in the other way?
 
xNick94 said:
Thanks for your reply,
I suspected it could be Square.root 1/R.

and does it really make a difference if you express it in the other way?

I have not seen many people claim the radius of a circle varies as the square root of the Area when asked to draw a graph showing the relationship between the Area and radius of a circle.

The test of whether it makes any difference would be when you change the variables you graph to get a straight line so that you can determine the complete relationship.

And I don't think the second one is Square.root 1/R. The way you are writing them, it could be Square.root 1/F
 
PeterO said:
I have not seen many people claim the radius of a circle varies as the square root of the Area when asked to draw a graph showing the relationship between the Area and radius of a circle.

The test of whether it makes any difference would be when you change the variables you graph to get a straight line so that you can determine the complete relationship.

And I don't think the second one is Square.root 1/R. The way you are writing them, it could be Square.root 1/F

I'm really confused :( I'm trying to understand it but I'm having trouble grasping the concept - F is proportional to R^2 since the R^2 came from F=kQq/R^2. So why doesn't that make it an inversely proportional graph or what is it even supposed to be- this is really frustrating :(
 
xNick94 said:
I'm really confused :( I'm trying to understand it but I'm having trouble grasping the concept - F is proportional to R^2 since the R^2 came from F=kQq/R^2. So why doesn't that make it an inversely proportional graph or what is it even supposed to be- this is really frustrating :(


F is proportional to 1 / R^2 - but I think you just mis-wrote it.

if you were to graph y = 1/x you would get a graph showing inverse proportion.

But there is also y = 1/x^2 - the inverse square, y = 1/x^3 , the inverse cube etc.
 
Alright that makes sense, thanks for all your help!
 

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