Variational method particle in box approx.

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The discussion revolves around using the variational method to approximate the ground state energy of a particle in a one-dimensional box. The original poster presents a trial wavefunction and seeks to understand the implications of choosing a positive parameter over a negative one, as well as the differences between their calculated energy and the true value.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss normalizing the trial wavefunction and the challenges of evaluating integrals involving the parameter k. There are questions about the normalization of the integral and whether it can be assumed to be already normalized. Some participants suggest solving for k values and finding the derivative to minimize energy estimates.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, sharing their attempts to derive and solve for k, and discussing the implications of their findings. There is a recognition that the variational method typically overestimates energy, and some guidance has been provided regarding the conditions under which the numerator of the derivative equals zero. However, there is no explicit consensus on the correctness of the energy values calculated.

Contextual Notes

There is an ongoing discussion about the significance of the parameter k being positive versus negative, and the implications this has on the validity of the approximation. Participants are also grappling with the conversion of constants and the relationship between different forms of energy expressions.

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Homework Statement



use the variational method to approximate the ground state energy of the particle in a one-dimensional box using the normalized trial wavefunction ∅(x)=Nx^{k}(a-x)^{k} where k is the parameter. Demonstrate why we choose the positive number rather than the negative value. By what absolute percentage does your value differ from the true one, (.125h^{2}/m_{e}a^2? It is also stated that
\ointpsi*Hpsi dx=(\bar{h}/m_{e}a^{2})(4k^{2}+k)/(2k-1).


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I'm pretty sure you have to use this one \ointpsi*Hpsi dx/\ointpsi*psi dx


The Attempt at a Solution



The first thing I tried to do is normalize the trial wavefunction which didn't get very far as I couldn't figure out how to do the integral. I also can't figure out to get either of the integrals to work because of the k powers. That is the main thing I'm blocked on. The only other thing I can think of is just to take an approximation of just the first two k values but the given integral with the incorporated hamiltonian has k included so it's wanting me to approx over all k. I need help getting to the next step. Thanks!
 
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The integral you've been given was evaluated using the normalized wave function, so I don't think you're expected to manually crank out the integrals.

In case you're curious, this is what Mathematica found:
\int \phi^*(x)\phi(x)\,dx = N^2\frac{\sqrt{\pi}a^{4k+1}k\,\Gamma(2k)}{16^k\, \Gamma(2k+3/2)}
 
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Could I assume that the integral on bottom is already normalized? what could I do then? could I just solve for k values?
 
Yes, you just need to find the value of k now.
 
would I take the derivative dE/dk and then solve for k?
 
Yes. That variational method will always overestimate the energy, so by finding the value of k that minimizes the estimate, you know you're getting the best approximation.
 
I'm having problems deriving and solving for k. When I take the derivative, I get

dE/dk=([STRIKE]h[/STRIKE]/(m_{e}a^{2})(8k^{2}-8k-1)/(1-2k)^{2}=0

and I'm having problems solving for it. am I doing something wrong?
 
Looks good so far. Where are you getting stuck?
 
the derivative doesn't seem to be solveable because there's no way to move anything over to the other side. and I know that I'll get multiple values of k when I solve.
 
  • #10
Remember a fraction is only equal to 0 only if the numerator is 0. That's probably exactly what you're getting, but you're mistakenly thinking it's not working out.
 
  • #11
Okay, but if the value of k is 0, then that doesn't go with the problem. In the problem it states that there will be a positive and negative value for the parameter and it asks why the positive number is better. And if k is 0 then the approximation won't work when you plug back into E_{min}
 
  • #12
I didn't say k=0. I said the numerator had to be 0. What values of k cause the numerator to vanish?
 
  • #13
ok. sorry, dumb moment.
so I solved for k=-.11237 and k=1.11237.

then I plugged the positive k value into E and got 3.133([STRIKE]h[/STRIKE]^{2}/m_{e}a^{2}) or 19.68(h^{2}/m_{e}a^{2}) which isn't even in the ballpark of the true value.
 
  • #14
and I tried the negative number and it's even worse. Did I do something wrong?
 
  • #15
is there anyway you could work through the problem and double check my work? I've worked through it twice now and still haven't gotten an answer that looks right
 
  • #16
Your values for k are correct, but your energies aren't. For the positive value of k, I get
E = \frac{4.9495 \hbar^2}{a^2 m}while the actual ground state energy isE_0 = \frac{4.9348 \hbar^2}{a^2 m}That looks pretty good actually.
 
  • #17
how did you get that? it was given in the problem that the true initial value is

0.125h^{2}/m_{e}a^{2}

or .0199[STRIKE]h[/STRIKE]^{2}/m_{e}a^{2}

did you plug the k value into E_{min}=([STRIKE]h[/STRIKE]^{2}/m_{e}a^{2})(4k^{2}+k)/(2k-1)
 
  • #18
I usedE=\frac{\hbar^2\pi^2}{2ma^2} = \left(\frac{\pi^2}{2}\right)\frac{\hbar^2}{ma^2} \cong 4.9348 \frac{\hbar^2}{ma^2}
I think you just converted to \hbar incorrectly. You should have h=2\pi\hbar, so
E_n = \frac{n^2h^2}{8ma^2} = \frac{n^2(2\pi)^2\hbar^2}{8ma^2} = \frac{n^2\pi^2\hbar^2}{2ma^2}
 

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