Varying Potential Energy and Amplitude in Unusual Harmonic Motion

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The discussion revolves around a particle's potential energy described by the equation U=K|X|³, with the particle oscillating at an amplitude 'A'. Participants are exploring how the time period of this motion varies with the amplitude.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between force and potential energy, with some suggesting the use of energy conservation to derive the time period. Others question the validity of using differential equations due to the nonlinearity of the system.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of different methods to approach the problem, including energy methods and differential equations. Some participants have provided insights into the mathematical forms involved, while others express confusion over the complexity of the integrals arising from their attempts.

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Participants note the challenges posed by the nonlinear nature of the equations and the lack of closed-form solutions. There is also mention of using numerical methods and tools like Wolfram Alpha to assist in evaluating integrals related to the problem.

  • #91
voko said:
The only problem I see in ehild's solution to the original problem is that the right-hand side must have the square root of 2k/m.

You are rigth, I forgot the square root from the right-hand side. The correct formula is

\int_0^A{\frac{dx}{\sqrt{A^3-x^3}}}=\int_0^{T/4}{\sqrt{\frac{2k}{m}}dt}.

The OP speaks about a particle performing periodic motion with amplitude A, when its potential energy function is k|x|^3. k is a constant. It asks how the time period varies with the amplitude. There is no words about slopes and gravity, but a particle well might have mass.
That potential energy can come from an electric field or the gravity of a specific mass distribution ... anything. What is the sense to consider the problem as rolling down along a slope? The potential energy is a general concept, does not necessarily mean gravitational energy near the Earth surface.

ehild
 
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  • #92
Arkavo said:
no it would not acceleration is x" rate of rate of change of x coordinate only you are calculating acceleration along the slope

I never wrote a=x''. I was trying to say that the net acceleration comes out different from that of OPs problem. What i was trying to prove was that barryj's and OPs problem are not analogy.

rude man said:
That was ehild's post that recommended the energy approach.

I tried what you did, wound up with mx'' + 3k/m x^2 = 0 and could not solve it either. I tried a "guessed" solution of x = Asin(wt) which was disastrous. Evidently, the oscillations are not pure sinusoids, neither should we expect them to be in view of the fact that the ODE is nonlinear.

This diffrential equation can be solved putting a=v*(dv/dx), and it reduces to the same v-x equation of ehild's. So one can use either method. The result is the same.
 

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