Varying thermal conductivity with length

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The discussion revolves around modeling a thermal system where the thermal conductivity varies along its length, specifically considering the conductivity as a function of both temperature and position, k(T,x). Participants explore the implications of different forms of k, including a linear relationship and a cosine function, while discussing the heat diffusion equation in both steady and unsteady states.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes modeling thermal conductivity as a function of both temperature and position, k(T,x), and questions the heat diffusion equation under the assumption of negligible temperature change.
  • Another participant seeks clarification on whether the problem is steady-state or unsteady-state, indicating potential confusion about the variables involved.
  • A participant corrects the initial equation provided, suggesting a more comprehensive form that includes heat capacity, density, and conductivity.
  • One participant suggests a specific form for k(x,T) as 100 + cos(2x) and discusses the implications for the derivative of k.
  • Another participant integrates the heat diffusion equation and presents a solution involving constants and integration variables, emphasizing the need for boundary conditions to determine heat flux.
  • One participant notes a limitation in the previous solution regarding the reference point for x, suggesting that it may not apply due to k(x) being zero at that point.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correct formulation of the heat diffusion equation and the implications of varying thermal conductivity. There is no consensus on the best approach or solution, and multiple competing views remain throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the assumptions made about the state of the system (steady vs. unsteady) and the implications of different forms of k on the heat diffusion equation. There are also unresolved questions about the appropriate reference points for the variables involved.

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I'm interested in modeling a system where the material varies along its length, thus the conductivity coefficient would be a function of both T, and x. k(T,x). For starters, if I assume negligible change w.r.t T, then he heat diffusion equation would be d/dt(k(x)dT/dx)=0. Correct? What if k just equals x (ie. linear)

I'm a little rusty with this solution. Any help?

Thanks.
 
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j_phillips said:
I'm interested in modeling a system where the material varies along its length, thus the conductivity coefficient would be a function of both T, and x. k(T,x). For starters, if I assume negligible change w.r.t T, then he heat diffusion equation would be d/dt(k(x)dT/dx)=0. Correct? What if k just equals x (ie. linear)

I'm a little rusty with this solution. Any help?

Thanks.
Hi j_phillips. Welcome to physics forums!
In your equation, what does the lower case t represent? Is this supposed to be a steady state problem, or an unsteady state problem?

Chet
 
j_phillips said:
I'm interested in modeling a system where the material varies along its length, thus the conductivity coefficient would be a function of both T, and x. k(T,x). For starters, if I assume negligible change w.r.t T, then he heat diffusion equation would be d/dt(k(x)dT/dx)=0. Correct? What if k just equals x (ie. linear)

I'm a little rusty with this solution. Any help?

Thanks.

That's not the correct equation. It should be

[tex]C \rho\frac{\partial}{\partial t}T =\frac{\partial}{\partial x} k(x,T)\frac{\partial}{\partial x} T,[/tex]
where [itex]C, \rho,[/itex] and [itex]k[/itex] are the heat capacity, density, and conductivity of the material
 
I appreciate the welcome!

This would be steady-state so the right side of the equation would go to zero. If k=x, then d/dx(k) would equal a constant K, but then there is t d/dx*T term which would be unaccounted for?

Instead of a constant (K), let's say k(x,T)=100+cos(2x) for 0<x<(pi/2) (I'm just trying to liven up the problem.) then d'K=-2*sin(2x) then 0=2*sin(2x)*d/dx(T)?
 
So the equation you are solving is:
[tex]\frac{d}{dx} \left(k(x)\frac{dT}{d x}\right)=0[/tex]
Integrating this once with respect to x gives:
[tex]k(x)\frac{dT}{d x}=C[/tex]
where C is minus the (constant) heat flux.
Integrating again gives:
[tex]T=C\int_0^x{\frac{dζ}{k(ζ)}}+T(0)[/tex]
where ζ is a dummy variable of integration. If the temperature is specified at x = 0 and x = L, that is enough information to get the heat flux C.

Chet
 
j_phillips said:
I appreciate the welcome!

This would be steady-state so the right side of the equation would go to zero. If k=x, then d/dx(k) would equal a constant K, but then there is t d/dx*T term which would be unaccounted for?

Instead of a constant (K), let's say k(x,T)=100+cos(2x) for 0<x<(pi/2) (I'm just trying to liven up the problem.) then d'K=-2*sin(2x) then 0=2*sin(2x)*d/dx(T)?

For a steady state the equation becomes
[tex]\frac{\partial}{\partial x} k(x,T)\frac{\partial}{\partial x} T = 0[/tex]
[tex]k(x,T)\frac{\partial}{\partial x} T = A[/tex]
Where A is some constant.
If k = x then
[tex]x\frac{\partial}{\partial x} T = A[/tex]
[tex]\frac{\partial}{\partial x} T = \frac{A}{x}[/tex]
[tex]T = A ln(x) + B[/tex]
 
Chestermiller beat me to the punch, except that his solution assumes x=0 as the reference point. That doesn't work for that specific problem because k(x) would be zero there.
 
Thanks! Much appreciated!
 

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