VASIMR Plasma Thruster: Questions Answered

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the VASIMR plasma thruster, focusing on its operation, specifically regarding the use and ejection of neutral gas, its applicability for atmospheric flight, and the thermal effects of the plasma produced. Participants explore theoretical and practical aspects of the thruster's design and functionality.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the neutral gas used by the VASIMR thruster is ejected or can be reused indefinitely, suggesting a hypothetical scenario of using air as a substitute.
  • Another participant clarifies that the gas is converted into plasma propellant and questions the feasibility of sourcing air for this purpose.
  • A participant considers the thruster's potential for atmospheric flight, raising concerns about the heat generated by the plasma and its effects on surrounding materials.
  • It is noted that the VASIMR thruster would be inefficient for atmospheric use due to high power requirements and low efficiency compared to conventional propulsion methods.
  • One participant describes the VASIMR as a low power electric rocket motor, emphasizing that the propellant is not a fuel source and that the motor is not intended for Earth use.
  • A later reply confirms that the plasma is very hot but has low density, indicating that the thermal effects depend on various factors, including distance and environmental conditions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility of using the VASIMR thruster in an atmospheric context, with some agreeing on its inefficiency while others explore hypothetical applications. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specifics of plasma thermal effects and the practical implications of using neutral gas.

Contextual Notes

Participants do not fully address the assumptions regarding the sourcing of air or the specific conditions under which the plasma's thermal effects would be evaluated. There are also unresolved questions about the operational limits of the thruster in different environments.

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First off, I want to apologize if this thread is in the wrong place but I am new this. Anyway, so I recently checked on the VASIMR plasma engine since I was interested in it. But one thing I didn't understand about it is if it ejects the neutral gas it uses. What I mean is that it obviously needs a neutral gas to work but does it eject it out of the thruster or can it be used "infinitely" (I mean for a long time not literally). In the case where it does eject it out the back is it possible for air to be inserted, have the neutral gases secluded and then use them for continuing the thrust?
 
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The gas is turned into the plasma propellant. Even if you could substitute air, from where would you source that supply of air?

http://www.industrytap.com/nasas-new-vasimr-plasma-engine-reach-mars-39-days/33646
 
Interesting, I was considering its capabilities for flight on Earth where it could have an air intake but I am not so sure if the heat for the plasma coming out the back would burn things or not.
 
Compared to more conventional propulsion methods it would be horribly inefficient in an atmosphere. It also requires too much power to be of practical use within the timescales of atmospheric flight.
 
It's basically a very low power electric rocket motor, its energy comes from the battery (chemical or nuclear, or solar cells). The propellant is not a fuel so is not a source of energy. The motor is not for use on Earth.
 
mfb said:
Compared to more conventional propulsion methods it would be horribly inefficient in an atmosphere. It also requires too much power to be of practical use within the timescales of atmospheric flight.
Ok got that, but one last thing I want to know is if the plasma coming out the back is hot enough to burn something at a distance or is it safe (aka hot but only at a small distance from the thruster?
 
It is very hot, but it has a low density. The effect will depend on what you do and how the environment looks like.
 

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