Vauled-ness of a complex number to an irrational power

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The discussion revolves around the multi-valued nature of a complex number raised to an irrational power, specifically examining the expression \( z\sqrt{2} \). Participants are exploring the implications of this expression in terms of its values and the mathematical reasoning behind it.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to determine if \( z\sqrt{2} \) is multi-valued and how many values it possesses, questioning the validity of their reasoning regarding irrational numbers. Some participants inquire about the specific values of \( \sqrt{2} \) and discuss the implications of different conventions in defining multi-valued functions.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, raising questions about the nature of \( \sqrt{2} \) and its implications for the multi-valuedness of the expression. There is a recognition of differing conventions in mathematical notation, and some participants suggest that the expression may indeed be infinitely valued based on their interpretations.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of potential confusion regarding the simplification of \( e^{\ln(z)} \) and how it relates to the multi-valued nature of logarithmic functions. The discussion also touches on the need for clarity regarding the conventions used in the original problem statement.

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Homework Statement




For z complex:

a.) is z[itex]\sqrt{2}[/itex] a multi-valued function, if so how many values does it have?

b.) Claim: z[itex]\sqrt{2}[/itex]=e[itex]\sqrt{2}[/itex]ln(z)=e[itex]\sqrt{2}[/itex]eln(z)=ze[itex]\sqrt{2}[/itex]
Since [itex]\sqrt{2}[/itex] has 2 values, z[itex]\sqrt{2}[/itex] is 2 valued.

Is this correct? If not, correct it.


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The Attempt at a Solution



For part a I would intuitively assume that it is infinitely-valued since z1/n has n values and [itex]\sqrt{2}[/itex]=1+4/10+1/100+4/1000... so its denominator is approaching infinity. But this isn't exactly mathematically sound reasoning since referring to the "denominator" of an irrational number doesn't make any sense.

For part b nothing really jumps out at me as being incorrect, except that it's conclusion disagrees with my belief for part a. It seems like all the steps are mathematically sound, unless there is some reason that you can't simplify eln(z) to z, in which case ln(z) being infinitely-valued would make the whole thing infinitely-valued
 
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For part b:
What two values does [itex]\sqrt{2}[/itex] have ?
 
The positive and negative square roots of 2. Or, if you consider 2 to be complex with imaginary part 0 and real part 2, root(2)eik[itex]\pi[/itex] with k=0,1.
 
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For the most part,
[tex]e^{ab} \neq e^a e^b[/tex]


Also, whether or not [itex]\sqrt{2}[/itex] is a multi-valued number depends on what precisely you mean by the notation -- two different conventions both make sense. Does your textbook state its convention anywhere?
 
Wow, I can't believe I missed that. Well then, after some manipulation that equation ought to become r[itex]\sqrt{2}[/itex]ei[itex]\sqrt{2}[/itex]([itex]\theta[/itex]+2k[itex]\pi[/itex]) which unless I'm mistaken shouldn't ever be able to return to the original [itex]\theta[/itex], making it infinitely valued.
 

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