Vector Addition Problem - Statics

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a vector addition problem in statics, specifically finding the magnitude and direction of the resultant force Fr, which is the sum of three forces F1, F2, and F3. Participants explore different methods of vector addition, including the use of components and graphical representation.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Participants discuss the approach of first calculating F' as the sum of F1 and F2, and then adding F3 to find Fr.
  • Some participants suggest using x and y components for a potentially simpler calculation method, stating that this avoids the need for an intermediate vector.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about their angle calculation, suggesting that 29.12 degrees may be too low.
  • Another participant confirms their results using the component method, obtaining a magnitude of 29.6 N and an angle of 19 degrees from the y-axis.
  • There is a mention of differing interpretations of angles, with one participant noting their preference for measuring angles from the positive x-axis.
  • Participants acknowledge the equivalence of different methods but question whether the exercise specifies a preferred approach.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the methods of calculating the resultant force but express differing opinions on the correctness of specific angle measurements. There is no consensus on the preferred method for solving the problem, and uncertainty remains regarding the angle calculations.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that their calculations depend on the definitions of angles and the reference axes used, which may lead to different interpretations of the results.

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Homework Statement


Find the magnitude and direction of the resultant force Fr=F1+F2+F3 by first finding F'=F1+F2 then Fr=F'+F3

known values are in the link

Homework Equations


Basic vector addition. Law of cosines. Law of sines.

The Attempt at a Solution


Here's my attempt. I'm not convinced by my answer.
http://imgur.com/LcrFApu
 
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Jack_M said:

Homework Statement


Find the magnitude and direction of the resultant force Fr=F1+F2+F3 by first finding F'=F1+F2 then Fr=F'+F3

known values are in the link

Homework Equations


Basic vector addition. Law of cosines. Law of sines.

The Attempt at a Solution


Here's my attempt. I'm not convinced by my answer.
http://imgur.com/LcrFApu

Another way of calculating the force is using x and y components. Add up all of the x components and all of the y-components of the three vectors to get the x and y components of the final vector. This saves you the trouble of calculating an intermediate vector.

x component = magnitude * cos (theta) -- theta measured from +x axis; y-component = magnitude * sin (theta) -- again theta measured from +x axis.
 
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Hello Jack, welcome to PF :)

F' is just fine.
Fr magnitude is fine too. Check the angle calculation. From your drawing you can already see that 29.12 degrees looks to be too low.

Of course, Quantum D gives a good alternative -- that should be equivalent, but I don't know if that's what the exercise wants you to do.
 
BvU said:
Hello Jack, welcome to PF :)

F' is just fine.
Fr magnitude is fine too. Check the angle calculation. From your drawing you can already see that 29.12 degrees looks to be too low.

Of course, Quantum D gives a good alternative -- that should be equivalent, but I don't know if that's what the exercise wants you to do.

I get essentially the same numbers that are in the box using x, y vectors: 19 degrees, 29.6 N
 
QD, I would've much rather have done it using component method, however my professor would take off points.

BvU, are you referring to the 29.67N as being the correct magnitude for Fr and 19.12 degrees being incorrect? Could it be 19.12 degrees from the vertical?
 
Quantum Defect said:
I get essentially the same numbers that are in the box using x, y vectors: 19 degrees, 29.6 N
That's reassuring. Thanks for checking!
 
Jack_M said:
That's reassuring. Thanks for checking!
My final x components were: +9.7 N x^ direction, +28 N y^ direction -- using inverse tangent gives me 19 degrees from y-axis, as you conclude above.
 
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To reassure you both: I've been brainwashed to zero degrees ##\equiv## positive x-axis direction. So I find 1.237 (radians, that is. The one and only reasonable unit for angles :) -- did I also say the brainwashing included ##2\pi## for a full circle ?) And I really am a physicist !

So we all agree and Jack can shed his uncertainty on this subject.
 

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