Solving a Force Problem with Three Cables and a Bracket

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a force problem involving three cables exerting forces on a bracket, with specific values for each force and a resultant force. Participants are attempting to solve the problem while addressing potential discrepancies in the provided values and diagram.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Debate/contested
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a problem involving three cables with forces F1=300N, F2=500N, and a resultant force of 400N at a 30° angle downward from the x-axis.
  • The participant attempts to calculate the third force, F3, using the equation Fr=F1+F2+F3 but arrives at a result that suggests an impossible scenario where cable F3 goes through a wall.
  • Several participants question whether the problem was understood correctly, with some suggesting that the value of the resultant force might have been copied incorrectly.
  • Another participant expresses frustration with the problem, suggesting it may be poorly constructed or nonsensical.
  • One participant mentions consulting a lecturer who indicated that the problem might be drawn incorrectly or contain erroneous figures, despite the calculations appearing correct.
  • A later reply asserts that theoretically, the problem and diagram could be valid, and the calculations were performed correctly, proposing that the scenario could be plausible under certain conditions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of skepticism regarding the problem's validity and confidence in the calculations. There is no consensus on whether the problem is correctly stated or if the calculations are accurate, leading to multiple competing views.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential issues with the drawing and the values provided in the problem statement, but these concerns remain unresolved. The discussion highlights the dependence on the accuracy of the problem's presentation.

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Hi everyone, i came across this forum a while ago and have been lurking here for a while. Any ways, i have a simple problem but can't seem to find a solution to it the photo of the problem is the link just here

http://i1053.photobucket.com/albums/s463/Popa911/1cc85138.jpg

Homework Statement



Three cables exert a force on a bracket (as shown in the photo) F1=300N, F2=500N and the resultant is 400N and 30° downward from x.



Homework Equations




the equation i used to solve was Fr=F1+F2+F3 rearranged to get F3= Fr - F1 - F2


The Attempt at a Solution



I got the i and j components and put them together as follows.

F3= (346.41i -200j) - (180i + 240j) - (500i)
F3 = -334i - 440j

this answer is incorrect as it would mean that cable F3 is going through the wall? Any help would be appreciated, thanks.
 
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You sure you got the problem right?
 


rude man said:
You sure you got the problem right?

where do you think i went wrong? I even checked it back against the original Fr = F1 + F2 + F3 and it comes up with the correct Fr.

Am i looking at the problem in the wrong way?
 


Perhaps you copied that 400 value wrong? Maybe it should be 800 or so?
 


NascentOxygen said:
Perhaps you copied that 400 value wrong?

i was thinking this as well, I've checked my figures though and re-checked the final answer against the resultant force and it seems correct but it doesn't fit with what the photo shows
 


I'd chuck this problem as far as I could throw it and find another that makes more sense.
 


PhanthomJay said:
I'd chuck this problem as far as I could throw it and find another that makes more sense.

I second that motion.
 


There doesn't appear to be anything wrong with this problem apart from a terrible drawing...
 


PhanthomJay said:
I'd chuck this problem as far as I could throw it and find another that makes more sense.

rude man said:
I second that motion.

DrHemp said:
There doesn't appear to be anything wrong with this problem apart from a terrible drawing...

I talked to my lecturer and she said that the problem is either it is drawn wrong or the figures that were given in the question are wrong because there is nothing wrong with how i worked it out lol. Spent ages trying to figure out where I went wrong.

Thanks for the help everyone as well!
 
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Popa91 said:
I talked to my lecturer and she said that the problem is either it is drawn wrong or the figures that were given in the question are wrong because there is nothing wrong with how i worked it out lol. Spent ages trying to figure out where I went wrong!
Thanks for getting back, Popa91.
 
  • #11
Popa91: Theoretically speaking, there is nothing wrong with the given problem, nor diagram. You worked the problem correctly, and your answer in post 1 is correct. We can imagine ways in which the given problem is possible.
 

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