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The discussion revolves around finding the projection of vector P in the direction of vector Q and the component of P that is orthogonal to Q. The vectors are defined as P = i - 3j + k and Q = -i + 2j + 5k.

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the formula for the projection and orthogonal components, with some questioning the correctness of the textbook's answers. There are attempts to clarify the calculations and identify potential errors in the original poster's work.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing examination of the calculations related to the projection and orthogonal components. Some participants have pointed out discrepancies in the original poster's results compared to the textbook, while others have acknowledged potential errors in the textbook itself. The discussion remains open with no clear consensus reached.

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Participants note that the textbook may contain incorrect information regarding the values used for vector P in the second part of the problem. There is also a mention of frustration due to the complexity of the calculations involved.

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Homework Statement


Find the projection of P in the direction of Q and the component of P orthogonal to Q.

P=i-3j+k Q=-i+2j+5k

Homework Equations


ProjQ(P)={(P*Q)/(Q*Q)}Q

OrthQ(P)=P-ProjQ(P)

The Attempt at a Solution



First I get P=(1,-3,1) and Q=(-1,2,5)

ProjQ(P)
=(-2/30)*(-1,2,5)
={(1/15),(-2/15),(-1/3)}

That's correct, as far as the book is concerned.

Now, finding the orthogonal part is where I get held up.

I do this:
OrthQ(P)=
=(1,-3,1)-{(1/15),(-2/15),(-1/3)}
={14/15,(47/15),(4/3)}

Which is wrong. The book says the correct answer is: {(74/15),(32/15),(-2/3)}.

I'm at a complete loss as to how they got this. Any help is much appreciated.
 
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Your formula for [itex]\text{Proj}_\textbf{Q}(\textbf{P})[/itex] should have [itex]\textbf{Q}\cdot\textbf{Q}[/itex] in the denominator, not [itex]\textbf{P}\cdot\textbf{P}=11[/itex], although you seem to have done the calculations correctly.

I think the answer given in the back of your text for the second part is wrong, and they switched to using [itex]\textbf{P}=5\textbf{i}+2\textbf{j}-\textbf{k}[/itex] by mistake in that 2nd part to get their (incorrect) answer.
 
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winowmak3r said:
ProjQ(P)={(P*Q)/(P*P)}Q

I assume you mean

ProjQ(P)={(P*Q)/(Q*Q)}Q

which must be what you used since you got the right answer for ProjQ(P).

For OrthQ(P), I get (14, -43, 20)/15, which doesn't match either your answer or the book's.
 
Ah, yes. It should be QQ in the denominator rather than PP. I just translated it incorrectly to the forum, I've been working on this for a while now and am getting frustrated.

But if they're using P=5i+2j-k...that's not in the problem. It appears the textbook is incorrect?
 
Yes, the textbook is incorrect. However,as jbunnii pointed out, your answer is also a little off (pay close attention to your negative signs)
 
jbunniii said:
I assume you mean

ProjQ(P)={(P*Q)/(Q*Q)}Q

which must be what you used since you got the right answer for ProjQ(P).

For OrthQ(P), I get (14, -43, 20)/15, which doesn't match either your answer or the book's.

Alright, I realize now what I did was incorrect. OrthoP should be = (14, -43, 20)/15, I forgot that there was a -1/3 in ProjP which is why I didn't get 20/15 and added the -2 wrong to 45.

However, that's still not what's in the back of the book. Argh. I guess I can take my case to the prof in the morning. Thanks guys.
 

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