Vector Calculus: Gradient of separation distance

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The discussion revolves around the mathematical property of the gradient of the separation distance, specifically the expression $$\nabla (\frac{1}{R}) = -\frac{\hat{R}}{R^2}$$, where ##R## represents the distance between two points in space. Participants are exploring the meaning and implications of this expression in the context of vector calculus.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants are attempting to understand the gradient operator applied to the function ##\frac{1}{R}## and how it relates to the separation distance. There are discussions on expressing ##R## in Cartesian coordinates and the implications of differentiating it. Questions arise regarding the correct interpretation of the gradient and the use of partial derivatives.

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The discussion has progressed with participants providing insights and clarifications on the mathematical notation and the differentiation process. Some have successfully expressed ##R## in terms of its Cartesian components and are working through the implications of their findings. There is a collaborative effort to clarify misunderstandings and refine the approach to the problem.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of vector calculus, particularly in relation to the properties of scalar functions and their gradients. There is an emphasis on ensuring the correct application of mathematical principles and notation throughout the discussion.

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Homework Statement



Could someone explain how the property,
$$\nabla (\frac{1}{R}) = -\frac{\hat{R}}{R^2}$$
where ##R## is the separation distance ##|\vec{r} - \vec{r'}|##, comes about?

What does the expression ##\nabla (\frac{1}{R}) ## even mean?

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The Attempt at a Solution



I know this attempt misses the mark completely, but I'd like to know what I'm getting wrong:

The separation distance ##R## is a function of ##x,y,z## since ##r## is too. Thus
$$ \nabla ( \frac{1}{R} )= \frac{-1}{R^2} \frac{dR}{dx} \hat{x} + \frac{-1}{R^2} \frac{dR}{dy} \hat{y} + \frac{-1}{R^2} \frac{dR}{dz} \hat{z} $$
which doesn't resemble what I wrote at the beginning.

Thanks in advance!
 
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##\frac{1}{R}## is a scalar function of position. Try expressing this in terms of Cartesian coordinates ##(x, y, z)##.

##\nabla## is an operator:

##\nabla f(x, y, z) = (f_x, f_y, f_z)##

where I've used ##f_x = \frac{\partial f}{\partial x}## etc. But, you seem to be using this correctly in any case.

Now, just keep going.
 
Thank you for your response.

PeroK said:
##\frac{1}{R}## is a scalar function of position. Try expressing this in terms of Cartesian coordinates ##(x, y, z)##.

So I let ##\frac{1}{R} = f(x,y,z)##. So,

## \nabla f(x, y, z) = (f_x, f_y, f_z) = \frac{-1}{R^2}(dR/dx, dR/dy, dR/dz) = \frac{-1}{R^2} \nabla R ##

Is this what you meant?
 
WWCY said:
Thank you for your response.
So I let ##\frac{1}{R} = f(x,y,z)##. So,

## \nabla f(x, y, z) = (f_x, f_y, f_z) = \frac{-1}{R^2}(dR/dx, dR/dy, dR/dz) = \frac{-1}{R^2} \nabla R ##

Is this what you meant?

Why don't you express ##R## as a function of ##(x, y, x)##? Then you can differentiate it. And all will be revealed!
 
WWCY said:
Thank you for your response.
So I let ##\frac{1}{R} = f(x,y,z)##. So,

## \nabla f(x, y, z) = (f_x, f_y, f_z) = \frac{-1}{R^2}(dR/dx, dR/dy, dR/dz) = \frac{-1}{R^2} \nabla R ##

Is this what you meant?

Yes, that is exactly what the notation ##\nabla (1/R)## means. Now just finish the job by computing ##\partial R/\partial x,## etc.
 
WWCY said:
## \nabla f(x, y, z) = (f_x, f_y, f_z) = \frac{-1}{R^2}(dR/dx, dR/dy, dR/dz) = \frac{-1}{R^2} \nabla R ##

Note that, as in all your posts, these should be partial derivatives.
 
Thank you both for your input, here's what I came up with.
$$R = \sqrt{ (x - x')^2 + (y - y')^2 + (z - z')^2 }$$
$$\partial _x R = \frac{x - x'}{\sqrt{ (x - x')^2 + (y - y')^2 + (z - z')^2 }} = \frac{R_x}{R}$$
Doing this for all components of the gradient vector, I get
$$\frac{1}{R} (R_x , R_y, R_z)$$
which is the unit vector pointing in the direction of separation, ##\hat{R}##

Is this right?
 
WWCY said:
Thank you both for your input, here's what I came up with.
$$R = \sqrt{ (x - x')^2 + (y - y')^2 + (z - z')^2 }$$
$$\partial _x R = \frac{x - x'}{\sqrt{ (x - x')^2 + (y - y')^2 + (z - z')^2 }} = \frac{R_x}{R}$$
Doing this for all components of the gradient vector, I get
$$\frac{1}{R} (R_x , R_y, R_z)$$
which is the unit vector pointing in the direction of separation, ##\hat{R}##

Is this right?

Yes. In other words ##\nabla R = \hat{R}##.
 
PeroK said:
Yes. In other words ##\nabla R = \hat{R}##.
Thank you and @Ray Vickson for the assistance!
 

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