Vector calculus - How to use the gradient?

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The discussion revolves around vector calculus, specifically the application of the gradient to a function T defined in the plane (x,y) as T=ln(x^2 + y^2). The original poster is preparing for first-year physics exams and seeks guidance on several parts of a problem related to the gradient and its implications for directional change in T at the point (1,2).

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to determine the direction of the most rapid increase in T using the gradient and expresses uncertainty about how to proceed with subsequent parts of the problem. Some participants suggest using the relationship between the gradient and directional change, while others question the setup for calculating distances in specific directions.

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Participants are exploring various interpretations of the problem, particularly how to apply the gradient to find distances corresponding to specific changes in T. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between the gradient and direction, but there is no explicit consensus on the methods to be used for each part of the problem.

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The original poster emphasizes a desire for tips rather than complete solutions, indicating a focus on understanding the underlying concepts rather than simply obtaining answers. There is also mention of specific values for changes in T that need to be achieved in the calculations.

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I have done part A (i think) really not sure where to begin with the rest of the parts, would appreciate a tip in the right direction, its revision for my first year physics exams in a few weeks.

Consider the funtion T in the plane (x,y), given by T=ln(x^2 + y^2)

at point 1,2

a) in which direction is most rapid increase in T

I did Grad(T) to get a vector which i think is in the direction of most rapid increase (2/5,4/5)

b) what distance in this direction gives an inrease of .2 in T

c) what distance in direction i + j gives and increase of .12 in T

d) in what directions will T be stationary.

I don't want solutions, just how to go about solving the problems
 
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I have done part A (i think) really not sure where to begin with the rest of the parts, would appreciate a tip in the right direction, its revision for my first year physics exams in a few weeks.

Consider the funtion T in the plane (x,y), given by T=ln(x^2 + y^2)

at point 1,2

a) in which direction is most rapid increase in T

I did Grad(T) to get a vector which i think is in the direction of most rapid increase (2/5,4/5)

b) what distance in this direction gives an inrease of .2 in T

c) what distance in direction i + j gives and increase of .12 in T

d) in what directions will T be stationary.

I don't want solutions, just how to go about solving the problems
 
alexvenk said:
I have done part A (i think) really not sure where to begin with the rest of the parts, would appreciate a tip in the right direction, its revision for my first year physics exams in a few weeks.

Consider the funtion T in the plane (x,y), given by T=ln(x^2 + y^2)

at point 1,2

a) in which direction is most rapid increase in T

I did Grad(T) to get a vector which i think is in the direction of most rapid increase (2/5,4/5)

b) what distance in this direction gives an inrease of .2 in T

c) what distance in direction i + j gives and increase of .12 in T

d) in what directions will T be stationary.

I don't want solutions, just how to go about solving the problems

For (b): if you go along direction (2/5,4/5) from the point (1,2) you are looking at points of the form ##x = x(t) = 1 + (2/5)t, \:y = y(t) = 2 + (4/5)t##, where ##t > 0## is a scalar.
 
(DelT = delta T (change in T))

Turns out the best way to do it for those who are interested is you use DelT = GradT . r, to get the largest change in t (highest delT) r and GradT must be in the same direction. To work out how far in a certain direcction it changes by a certain amount, set delT to whatever you want the change to be (.2 for b) then set r to be a vecctor with magnitude a and direction the same as the direction it was in a, then simply solve for a. Do the same for part c, and finally for part d, set delT to 0 so GradT must be perpendicular to r, which is pretty easy to do by inspection.

Thanks for the reply.
 
For simplicity, direction of (2/5,4/5) is the same of (1,2).
 

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