Vector Identities: Calculate & Surface Integrals

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around vector identities and surface integrals, specifically focusing on the curl of a vector expression and the evaluation of surface integrals involving constant vectors and normal vectors. The original poster seeks to calculate these expressions in both Cartesian and spherical coordinates.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to use vector identities to calculate the curl of a specific vector expression and questions the role of the Dirac delta function in the result. They also express uncertainty about applying Stokes' Theorem to the surface integrals. Other participants raise concerns about the clarity of the original poster's questions, particularly regarding the mathematical form of the answers and the definitions of the vectors and surfaces involved.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively seeking clarification on the original poster's questions, with some suggesting that more specific details are needed to provide effective guidance. The discussion is ongoing, with various interpretations being explored regarding the mathematical expressions and the context of the integrals.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of the need for clarity regarding the surface over which the integrals are to be evaluated, as well as the specific mathematical forms desired for the answers. The original poster assumes the surfaces are closed, but this has not been explicitly confirmed by others.

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Homework Statement



1.

Calculate:

\nabla \times (\frac{\vec{p} \times \vec{r}}{r^{3}})

in cartesian and spherical coordinates, where \vec{p} is a constant vector.

2.

Calculate surface integrals:

\int \vec{r} (\vec{a} \cdot \vec{n}) dS
\int \vec{n} (\vec{a} \cdot \vec{r}) dS

where \vec{a} is a constant vector and \vec{n} is a unit vector normal to the surface.

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I tried do the first by using some basic vector identities but I didn't get anywhere (the result wasn't by any means neat and short ;)). I was told that Dirac delta is supposed to show up somewhere, but I don't see it.

The second one is probably done using Stokes' Theorem but I don't see any simple fashion in which it can be applied.
 
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? You haven't posted any question at all.
 
I'm not sure if I understand your questions. Your first one asks to "calculate" that mathematical expression presumably using vector identities involving curl but you didn't specify in what mathematical form do you want the answer to be expressed in? In other words, there's so many equivalent ways you can express that statement, but you didn't specify what vectors, mathematical notation the final answer should contain so we can eliminate the other possibilities. Is this a "Show that the following may be equivalently written as" type of question?

For your second question, you didn't say what vector r is, and you didn't tell us what surface you're integrating over, as such we can't tell if it's bounded by a closed loop or whether it's a closed surface (then we may apply Div theorem) ie. as such we can't tell (or at least I can't tell) how to help you.

Perhaps it's best if you post the exact question the textbook is asking here to clear up the confusion.
 
1. I mean something like this: we can calculate that
\nabla \cdot (\frac{\vec{r}}{r^3}) = 4 \pi \delta^{3}(\vec{r}) (Dirac delta),
and here we have to do something similar, i.e. express the rotation in a more "explicit" way (using Dirac delta etc.). Using vector identities I obtained \nabla \times (\frac{\vec{p} \times \vec{r}}{r^3}) = 4 \pi \vec{p} \delta^{3}(\vec{r}) + (\vec{p} \cdot \nabla)\frac{\vec{r}}{r^3}, and I wonder whether the second term (involving \vec{p} \cdot \nabla) can be simplified (expressed using Dirac delta etc.)?


2. We can assume that the surfaces are closed. \vec{r} is the vector connecting the current point and the origin.
 

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