Vector Plane, Calculating Windspeed Question?

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The problem involves a plane's velocity and the effect of wind on its groundspeed, specifically calculating the windspeed and its direction based on given values. The subject area pertains to vector analysis in physics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of windspeed using the cosine law and the sine law, questioning the angle measurement and the setup of the problem. There is an emphasis on sharing working and diagrams to clarify reasoning.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with each other's calculations and diagrams, seeking clarification on angle measurements and the relationships between the vectors involved. There is a focus on ensuring that the angles are correctly interpreted in the context of the problem.

Contextual Notes

There is some ambiguity regarding the angle measurement and the assumptions made in the calculations, particularly concerning the orientation of the angles in relation to the vector triangle.

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Homework Statement


A plane initially flies south at a velocity of 480 km/h. Aided by a wind, the groundspeed is 528 kmh at 15 degrees east of south.

Calculate the windspeed and the direction of it






The Attempt at a Solution



I got the magnitude of 139.9 km/h but for the angle I Don't know if the angle is down below the horizontal or above the horizontal.
 
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I don't know which way you're measuring the angle. Pls post your working.
 
Yes, Like this

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ok, that's a diagram, but somehow you calculated a speed. Presumably you created an unknown for an angle (which angle?) and wrote down some equations. pls share.
 
haruspex said:
ok, that's a diagram, but somehow you calculated a speed. Presumably you created an unknown for an angle (which angle?) and wrote down some equations. pls share.

Ok I did cos law: Wind = √ (528)^2 + (480)^2 - 2(528)(480)cos15 = 139.9
 
Ok, so pick an angle in the diagram that you want to compute and write down an equation involving it and known distances.
 
haruspex said:
Ok, so pick an angle in the diagram that you want to compute and write down an equation involving it and known distances.

I used the sine law: sintheta/528 = sin15/139.9 = 77.53 degrees... So the picture where the wind goes up?
 
Ok, so you are measuring the wind angle as E of N, and you get 77.5 degrees. Seems reasonable.
 
Well, the longest side of the vector triangle is 528 m, so the greatest angle has to be opposite to it. If one angle is 15° and the other is 77.5°, the third angle is 87.5°: the greatest angle in the triangle, and it is opposite to the side of middle length. So choose 180-77.5 as the angle of the wind.

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