Vector Problem: Acceleration, Velocity & Arc Length

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The problem involves a beetle crawling along a rotating slender rod in a polar coordinate system. The beetle starts at a distance of 2 inches from the origin and moves towards it at a rate of 1 inch per minute, while the rod rotates at a rate of 3 radians per minute. The task includes finding the beetle's acceleration and velocity in polar form when it is halfway to the origin and calculating the length of the path traveled by the beetle by the time it reaches the origin.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the representation of the beetle's position in polar coordinates and the differentiation of the radius vector. There are inquiries about finding unit vectors and the roles of basis vectors in polar coordinates. Some participants suggest using integrals to find the length of the path traveled.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing hints and exploring different aspects of the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the differentiation of vector expressions and the setup of coordinate systems. There is no explicit consensus on the methods to be used, and multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored.

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Participants note the complexity of the problem, particularly regarding the understanding of polar coordinates and the differentiation of non-constant unit vectors. There is an acknowledgment of the need for foundational knowledge in the subject matter.

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Homework Statement


A slender rod through the origin of the polar plane rotates about the origin at the rate of 3 rad/min. A beetle starting from the point (2,) crawls along the rod toward the origin at the rate of 1 in/min. The axes are marked in inches

a. Find the beetle's acceleration and velocity in polar form when it is halfway to (1 inch from) the origin.
b.To the nearest thousandth of an inch, what will be the length of the path the beetle has traveled by the time it reaches the origin.


Homework Equations



acceleration, velocity, arc length

The Attempt at a Solution



Can anyone hint me how to do this problem ?

For part b, I guess I just take the integral of speed from 0 to t in which t is the time the beetle needs to reach the origin ??
 
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To begin the problem,
r = mag(r) er
where r is the radius vector to the bug, mag(r) is the length of r, and er is a unit vector in the direction of r. Then differentiate this vector expression, remembering that the derivative of er is theta-dot etheta, and the derivative of etheta is -thetadot er.

That should get you started.
 
Thanks. Can you explain more on how should I find the unit vector ?
 
In plane polar coordinates, the unit vectors er and etheta play the same sort of roles that i and j play in cartesian coordinates, although they are not constants. So, we might say that they are simply defined. They are what are called "basis vectors" for the space.

Have you not talked about them in your class? This is tough stuff to be working if you don't have the tools!
 
Yeah, I know that v= r ur + rtheta utheta.

However, in this particular case, how do I find r ur ?
 
nns91 said:

Homework Statement


A slender rod through the origin of the polar plane rotates about the origin at the rate of 3 rad/min. A beetle starting from the point (2,) crawls along the rod toward the origin at the rate of 1 in/min. The axes are marked in inches

a. Find the beetle's acceleration and velocity in polar form when it is halfway to (1 inch from) the origin.
b.To the nearest thousandth of an inch, what will be the length of the path the beetle has traveled by the time it reaches the origin.


Homework Equations



acceleration, velocity, arc length

The Attempt at a Solution



Can anyone hint me how to do this problem ?

For part b, I guess I just take the integral of speed from 0 to t in which t is the time the beetle needs to reach the origin ??
The beetles distance from the origin, after t min. is r(t)= 2- 2t. Setting up a coordinate system with x-axis along the initial position of the rod, [itex]\theta[/itex], the angle the rod makes with the x-axis, after t min, is given, in radians, by [itex]\theta= 3t[/itex]. Since [itex](x,y)= (r cos(\theta), r sin(\theta))[/itex], then the position of the beetle is given by [itex](2(1-t)cos(3t), 2(1-t)sin(3t))[/itex].

Find the velocity and acceleration vectors by differentiating that. The arclength is given by
[tex]\int \sqrt{\left(\frac{dx}{dt}\right)^2+ \left(\frac{dy}{dt}\right)^2}dt[/tex]
where the integration is from t= 0 to the t at which the beetle reaches the origin (which is easy).
 

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