Integral of unit tangent vector equals arc length?

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The discussion revolves around the integral of the unit tangent vector along a path and its relationship to arc length. Participants are examining the expression \(\int_c \mathbf{T} \cdot d\mathbf{s}\) and its implications in the context of calculating arc length.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to relate the integral of the unit tangent vector to the arc length formula. Questions arise regarding the definition of \(d\mathbf{s}\) and its relationship to the parameterization of the curve.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the relationship between \(d\mathbf{s}\) and the derivative of the curve \(c'(t)\). Some participants have provided insights into the mathematical properties of vectors, while others are questioning their understanding of the integral setup. The discussion reflects a productive exchange of ideas without reaching a definitive conclusion.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating through the definitions and relationships between the tangent vector, its magnitude, and the differential element of arc length. There is a recognition of potential misunderstandings regarding the expressions involved.

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Homework Statement


Let c(t) be a path and T the unit tangent vector. What is [tex]\int_c \mathbf{T} \cdot d\mathbf{s}[/tex]

Homework Equations



The unit tangent vector of c(t) is c'(t) over the magnitude of c'(t) :
[tex]\mathbf{T} = \frac{c'(t)}{||c'(t)||}[/tex]

The length of c(t) can be represented by :
[tex]\int_c ||c'(t)|| \; dt[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution


[tex]\int_c \mathbf{T} \cdot d\mathbf{s} = \int_c \frac{c'(t)}{||c'(t)||} ...[/tex] d-something. dt I suppose.

But this is clearly not quite the arc length integral. So what am I missing? (the book says the answer is the length of c)
 
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Hi Arcana!

I guess you need that ##\mathbf{s} = \mathbf{c}(t)##.
That is, ##\mathbf{s}## is a point on the curve that is parametrized by ##\mathbf{c}(t)##.
What do you think ##\textrm{d}\mathbf{s}## is?
 
ds=c'(t)dt ?
But then I still have 1/magnitude, so still not quite there.
 
ArcanaNoir said:
ds=c'(t)dt ?

Yep.

But then I still have 1/magnitude, so still not quite there.

How so?
What do you get if you substitute ds=c'(t)dt?
 
(c'(t))^2 / llc'(t)ll dt
 
Yes.
And what is ##\mathbf{c}'(t) \cdot \mathbf{c}'(t)##?
 
is it 1 ? no

it's the same thing as we have under the square root (calculating...)
okay I am stuck
 
ArcanaNoir said:
is it 1 ?

No.
Suppose ##\mathbf{v}## is a vector.
Did you know that ##\mathbf{v} \cdot \mathbf{v} = ||\mathbf{v}||^2##?
 
oh. excellent observation. I see it now. thanks :)
 

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