Vector space properties: distributivity

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The discussion revolves around proving a property of vector spaces, specifically the distributive property of scalar multiplication over vector addition. The original poster seeks to demonstrate that \((\alpha - \beta)\overrightarrow a = \alpha \overrightarrow a - \beta \overrightarrow a\) using the axioms of a vector space.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to manipulate the expression using vector space axioms but expresses uncertainty about proving the uniqueness of inverse elements. Other participants suggest deriving properties from the definition of vector spaces and question the validity of certain steps taken in the reasoning.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring various approaches to the proof, with some suggesting that certain properties can be derived easily while others express doubt about the ease of these derivations. There is an ongoing examination of the axioms and definitions related to vector spaces, with hints and guidance being offered without reaching a consensus.

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Some participants note constraints such as the inability to use certain established results (e.g., \((-1)\overrightarrow a = -\overrightarrow a\)) and emphasize the importance of the specific axioms being used in the discussion.

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Homework Statement


I want to proof, using the axioms of a vector space, that:

##(\alpha - \beta)\overrightarrow a = \alpha \overrightarrow a - \beta \overrightarrow a##

Homework Equations



Definition vector space:

The Attempt at a Solution



##(\alpha - \beta)\overrightarrow a = (\alpha + (-\beta))\overrightarrow a = \alpha \overrightarrow a + (-\beta) \overrightarrow a##

I'm stuck here, I want to show that:

##(-\beta) \overrightarrow a = -(\beta \overrightarrow a)##

I showed that both have the same symmetric element. But I did not show that symmetric elements are unique. Is there an easier way as this is an exercise and I think I'm overseeing something.

EDIT: I cannot use ##(-1)\overrightarrow a = - \overrightarrow a##
 
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Math_QED said:
I cannot use ##(-1)\overrightarrow a = - \overrightarrow a## \overrightarrow a##

Then prove it, so you can use it.
 
micromass said:
Then prove it, so you can use it.

That's funny, because I already proved it but it uses this result.

Can I derive, from the definition of vector space that:

##\overrightarrow a + \overrightarrow b = \overrightarrow a+ \overrightarrow c \Rightarrow \overrightarrow b = \overrightarrow c##. If yes, I can show uniqueness of inverse elements and then it's proven. Is there an easier way?
 
Math_QED said:
That's funny, because I already proved it but it uses this result.

Can I derive, from the definition of vector space that:

##\overrightarrow a + \overrightarrow b = \overrightarrow a+ \overrightarrow c \Rightarrow \overrightarrow b = \overrightarrow c##.

Yes, you should be able to derive this easily

If yes, I can show uniqueness of inverse elements and then it's proven. Is there an easier way?

This is the easiest way imo.
 
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micromass said:
Yes, you should be able to derive this easily

I don't see how I can derive it that easily. Can you give me a hint?
 
Math_QED said:
I don't see how I can derive it that easily. Can you give me a hint?

Add the additive inverse of ##a##.
 
micromass said:
Add the additive inverse of ##a##.

Yeah, thought about that too. Why am I allowed to do that on both sides?
 
Math_QED said:
Yeah, thought about that too. Why am I allowed to do that?

What's wrong with it?
 
micromass said:
What's wrong with it?

I would use the property then, which I did not prove:

a + b = a + c => a + c + d = a + c + d
 
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Addition is a function.
 
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micromass said:
Addition is a function.

Yes, for vectors:

##+ : V \times V \rightarrow V## but how can I conclude that then?
 
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What does it mean by definition that ##+## is a function?
 
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micromass said:
What does it mean by definition that ##+## is a function?

It means that:

##+ \subset ((V \times V) \times V)## such that for every 2 vectors ##(\overrightarrow x, \overrightarrow y) \in (V \times V)## there is a unique vector ##\overrightarrow z \in V## such that ##+(\overrightarrow x, \overrightarrow y) = \overrightarrow z##
 
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Math_QED said:
It means that:

##+ \subset ((V \times V) \times V)## such that for every 2 vectors ##(\overrightarrow x, \overrightarrow y) \in (V \times V)## there is a unique vector ##\overrightarrow z \in V## such that ##+(\overrightarrow x, \overrightarrow y) = \overrightarrow z##

And do you see that it means that if ##x=x'## and ##y = y'## then ##+(x,y) = +(x',y')##? To prove this, let ##z = +(x,y) = +(x',y')## and use uniqueness of ##z##.
 
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micromass said:
And do you see that it means that if ##x=x'## and ##y = y'## then ##+(x,y) = +(x',y')##? To prove this, let ##z = +(x,y) = +(x',y')## and use uniqueness of ##z##.

Hm let me try:

Proof: Let ##(x,y) \in V \times V##

Then, there is a unique ##z \in V## such that ##z = +(x,y)##. But, since x = x' and y = y', we have that ##+(x',y') = z## too. Since z is unique, we conclude that ##+(x',y') = +(x,y)##
 
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Math_QED said:

Homework Statement


I want to proof, using the axioms of a vector space, that:

##(\alpha - \beta)\overrightarrow a = \alpha \overrightarrow a - \beta \overrightarrow a##

Homework Equations



Definition vector space:

The Attempt at a Solution



##(\alpha - \beta)\overrightarrow a = (\alpha + (-\beta))\overrightarrow a = \alpha \overrightarrow a + (-\beta) \overrightarrow a##

I'm stuck here, I want to show that:

##(-\beta) \overrightarrow a = -(\beta \overrightarrow a)##

I showed that both have the same symmetric element. But I did not show that symmetric elements are unique. Is there an easier way as this is an exercise and I think I'm overseeing something.

EDIT: I cannot use ##(-1)\overrightarrow a = - \overrightarrow a##

How you can or should do it depends on exactly what vector-space axioms you start with. I have seen different books using different systems of axioms, so being very precise at this point is important.

BTW: you cannot "proof" something, but you might be able to prove it, or to give a proof.
 
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Ray Vickson said:
How you can or should do it depends on exactly what vector-space axioms you start with. I have seen different books using different systems of axioms, so being very precise at this point is important.

BTW: you cannot "proof" something, but you might be able to prove it, or to give a proof.

V is a commutative group for addition and for the scalar multiplication we have:

##1\overrightarrow a = \overrightarrow a##
##(\alpha \beta)\overrightarrow a = \alpha (\beta \overrightarrow a)##
##(\alpha + \beta)\overrightarrow a = \alpha \overrightarrow a + \beta \overrightarrow a##
##\alpha (\overrightarrow a + \overrightarrow b) = \alpha \overrightarrow a + \alpha \overrightarrow b##

where ##\alpha, \beta \in \mathbb{K}, \overrightarrow a, \overrightarrow b \in V##
 

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