Vectors - finding coordinates of collision point

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The discussion revolves around finding the coordinates of a collision point between two cars using parametric equations. The subject area includes vectors and the conversion between parametric and Cartesian forms of equations.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the setup of parametric equations for two cars and the process of equating them to find collision points. Questions arise regarding the correctness of the equations and the reasoning behind finding the normal vector to derive the Cartesian equation.

Discussion Status

Some participants have corrected their parametric equations and reported obtaining the right answer. There is ongoing inquiry into the rationale for using the normal vector in the conversion process, indicating a productive exploration of the topic.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of confusion regarding the timing of the cars' movements and the implications of different time values in the parametric equations. Participants are also considering the method of converting from parametric to Cartesian forms.

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At noon, Car 1 moves in a straight line, starting at point A (1, 0). Its position t seconds after it starts is given by (x,y) = (1,0) + t (0.8, 1). Car 2 moves with constant speed starting at point B (0,2) and travels in a straight line, given the equation y = 0.6x + 2, x ≥ 0 . Eventually, the two vehicles collide. Find the coordinates of the collision point.
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vector equation
cartesian equation
For car 1, the parametric equations are x = 1 + 0.8t and y=t. For car 2, the parametric equations are x=0.6s and y=2+s. (Let t and s represent time). Solving the system of equations, when the x values are equated are the y values are equated, I get s = -13 and t = -11. I assume that the 2 cars don't start moving at the same time, since the time values are different. Substituting t = -11 into the parametric equations for car 1 gives (x,y) = (-7.8, -11) (substituting s = -13 into the parametric equations for car 2 would give me the same result).

My answer was wrong though. The solution says that find the normal vector of (0.8, 1), which is (1, -0.8). Then the scalar equation of the line is x - 0.8y + c = 0, substituting point (1,0) into that gives c= -1. Thus the cartesian equation for car 1 is x - 0.8y + 1 = 0. Solving the system of cartesian equations of car 1 and car 2 gives (x,y) = (5,5).

I don't understand where I went wrong, and why the solution says to find the normal vector to find the cartesian equation for car 1. Thanks.
 
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Your parametric equation for ##y = 0.6x + 2## is not right.
 
PeroK said:
Your parametric equation for ##y = 0.6x + 2## is not right.
Thanks, I fixed it to be x=s and y=2 + 0.6s, and I got the right answer.

But could you explain why the solution says to find the normal vector to find the cartesian equation for car 1?
 
i_love_science said:
Thanks, I fixed it to be x=s and y=2 + 0.6s, and I got the right answer.

But could you explain why the solution says to find the normal vector to find the cartesian equation for car 1?
That's a technique for changing a parametric equation into a Cartesian form. Note that, instead, you could simply substitute ##y = t## into ##x = 1 + 0.8t##.
 
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