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The problem involves a plane's ground speed and direction, given its airspeed and the wind's effect. The plane is steering N45°E with an airspeed of 525 km/h, while the wind is coming from N60°W at 98 km/h. Participants are exploring vector addition and the application of the cosine law and sine law in this context.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of the cosine law to find the resultant vector and the angle. There are attempts to clarify the angle associated with the wind direction, with some participants questioning the initial setup and calculations.

Discussion Status

There is ongoing exploration of the calculations involved in determining the ground speed and direction. Some participants have identified errors in their previous calculations and are revising their approaches. Multiple interpretations of the angle adjustments are being considered, but no explicit consensus has been reached.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working with the assumption that the wind's direction affects the resultant vector, and there are discussions about the correct application of angles in the cosine law. Some calculations have led to values that raise questions about their validity, indicating potential misunderstandings in the setup.

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Homework Statement


A plane is steering N45°E with an airspeed of 525 km/h. The wind is from N60°W at 98 km/h. Find the ground speed and the direction of the plane.


Homework Equations


Cosine law, sine law, vector addition/subtraction.


The Attempt at a Solution


I have attached an image of my diagram (sorry for the messiness!)

I Solved for R using the cosine law:

R^2 = 525^2 + 98^2 - 2(525)(98)cos60°
R^2 = 285229 - 102900cos60
R^2 = 233779
R = 483.5 km/h

As for the angle, theta, I also used the cosine law:

98^2 = 525^2 + 483.5^2 = 2(525)(483.5)cosθ
-499793.25 = -507675cosθ
cosθ = 0.9844
θ = 10.1°

Is my method correct?

Thank you in advance!
 

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kariibex said:

Homework Statement


A plane is steering N45°E with an airspeed of 525 km/h. The wind is from N60°W at 98 km/h. Find the ground speed and the direction of the plane.

Homework Equations


Cosine law, sine law, vector addition/subtraction.

The Attempt at a Solution


I have attached an image of my diagram (sorry for the messiness!)

I Solved for R using the cosine law:

R^2 = 525^2 + 98^2 - 2(525)(98)cos60°
R^2 = 285229 - 102900cos60
R^2 = 233779
R = 483.5 km/h

As for the angle, theta, I also used the cosine law:

98^2 = 525^2 + 483.5^2 = 2(525)(483.5)cosθ
-499793.25 = -507675cosθ
cosθ = 0.9844
θ = 10.1°

Is my method correct?

Thank you in advance!
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The wind is from N60°W ...

That means the angle you label as 60° should be 60° + 45°.
 
SammyS said:
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The wind is from N60°W ...

That means the angle you label as 60° should be 60° + 45°.

Thank you for the reply.

Okay, so using 60° + 45°, I calculated my new resultant vector as 558.4 km/hr.

The only issue is when I solve for theta, cosθ = 1.138, which cannot be solved for.

Is there something I'm missing?
 
kariibex said:
Thank you for the reply.

Okay, so using 60° + 45°, I calculated my new resultant vector as 558.4 km/hr.

The only issue is when I solve for theta, cosθ = 1.138, which cannot be solved for.

Is there something I'm missing?
What is the equation you have when solving for cos(θ)?
 
SammyS said:
What is the equation you have when solving for cos(θ)?

Oh! I'm sorry, I just realized my mistake (substituted the wrong value) :)

Anyways, my new θ turns out to be:

98^2 = 525^2 + 558.4^2 - 2(525)(558.4)cosθ
-577831.5 = -586320cosθ
cosθ = 0.9855
θ = 9.8°

Hopefully my method is correct?

Thank you for all your help, I really appreciate it :)
 
kariibex said:
Oh! I'm sorry, I just realized my mistake (substituted the wrong value) :)

Anyways, my new θ turns out to be:

98^2 = 525^2 + 558.4^2 - 2(525)(558.4)cosθ
-577831.5 = -586320cosθ
cosθ = 0.9855
θ = 9.8°

Hopefully my method is correct?

Thank you for all your help, I really appreciate it :)
Yup. I got 9.759° .
 

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