Vectors that follow the same path? (should be easy)

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The problem involves identifying which vectors follow the same path as the vector function R=ti + t^2j, with the condition that the speed along the path may differ. Participants are exploring the relationships between various vector expressions and their corresponding paths.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the criteria for two paths to be considered the same, focusing on the need for a change of variables. There is debate over which vectors correspond to the original path, with some suggesting that certain vectors are simply scaled versions while others question this reasoning.

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The discussion has progressed with participants identifying specific vectors that may follow the same path. Some have expressed understanding of the relationships between the vectors, while others continue to seek clarification on the reasoning behind their choices. There is acknowledgment of multiple interpretations of the problem.

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Participants note the problem's stipulation that speed may differ along the paths, which influences their reasoning about the relevance of velocity at specific points. There is also mention of confusion stemming from the original problem's wording.

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here's the problem:
which vectors follow the same path as R=ti + t^2j? The speed along the path may be different.
(a) 2ti + 2t^2j (b) 2ti + 4t^2j (c) -ti + t^2j (d) t^3i + t^6j

I think the answer is (a) and (b), and then (c) is in the opposite direction. I believe this because the velocities of (a) and (b) are (a): v=2 + 4t and (b): v=2 + 8t which is similar to the original: v=1+2t. (c): v=-1 + 2t is negative so it is in the opposite direction.

am I correct or at least on the right train of thought?
thanks!
 
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This would probably be clearer if the first path was labeled si+s^2j. To show two paths are the same you have to find a change of variables s->t such that the equations become the same. (b) is a good choice because it corresponds to s=2t. Which other one is good. I don't think it's (a).
 
I agree it would be clearer, I just put what the book said. the text is so confusing!

I don't understand how (b) is a good choice but (a) isn't. why does (b) correspond to s=2t? the way my novice eyes see it is that (a) is just twice the length of s. why is that not so?
 
(b) corresponds to s=2t because (2t)i+(2t)^2j=2ti+4t^2j. If (a) were correct then I should be able to solve s=2t and s^2=2^t^2 for s and t simultaneously for all s and t. And I can't.
 
does that mean differentiating bears no relevance? I think I almost understand. =)
 
The problem said "the speed along the path may be different", so, no, the velocity at anyone point doesn't matter. What matters is that for any s along the original path there is a t in the second path such that the two points are equal. Now which other path in the second group is the same as the first.
 
OH! it's (c) because if I set s=-t, I get -ti + t^2j just like with (b) I get 2ti + 4t^2j when I let s=2t.
yay I understand!
 
Good job! You caught one I missed. But there's another one.
 
I guess it has to be d. =) that would happen when I let s=t^3, correct? I think I just assumed (d) wasn't even pertinent since it was so different, but it makes sense that it does now.
 
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