Vectors: why is the cosine of this angle always -1/2?

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The discussion revolves around understanding the angle between two vectors defined by the equation x + y + z = 0. The original poster explores the relationship between the vectors v = (x, y, z) and w = (z, x, y), specifically why the cosine of the angle between them is always -1/2.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to derive the cosine relationship using specific vector components and expresses confusion regarding the underlying reasoning. Some participants inquire about the expression (x+y+z)^2 and its implications. Others suggest that a geometric interpretation may be relevant but should be addressed after clarifying the algebraic equality.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing hints and prompting further exploration of the mathematical relationships involved. There is an indication that the original poster may have reached a partial understanding, but further clarification is sought regarding the implications of the derived expressions.

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Participants note the importance of addressing specific questions posed earlier in the thread to advance the discussion. There is also mention of potential geometric interpretations that have yet to be explored fully.

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Homework Statement


Pick any numbers that add to x + y + z = 0. Find the angle between your vector v = (x, y, z) and the vector w = ( z, x, y). Challenge question: explain why v.w/|v||w| is always -1/2.

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I chose (1, -2, 1) for the first part, which is straightforward. The second bit has me somewhat flummoxed. Using x, y, and z, I get:
(xz + xy + yz)/(x^2 + y^2 + z^2)
I can see that the numerator will always be less than the denominator because either one or two of the components must be negative. The explanation proper eludes me though, and I feel missing something simple here. Please assist me in understanding this one.
 
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What is (x+y+z)^2?

Edit: There is also a geometrical interpretation, but we can leave that until you understand why the equality holds.
 
Orodruin said:
What is (x+y+z)^2?

Edit: There is also a geometrical interpretation, but we can leave that until you understand why the equality holds.
(xz + xy + yz)/(x^2 + y^2 + z^2) = -1/2 as a result of multiplying out the expression, which is equal to zero. I knew it was staring me in the face.
 
V scalar w /|v| ×| w |= |v| ×| w | cos ß / |v| ×|w| = cos ß
so you should find some kind of relationship between those vector in order to get ß = π -60° / π + 60°
Thats all i can think of.
 
You need to answer Orodruin's question in post #2. Once you see the answer to this question, you will know what to do next.

chet
 
I believe the OP has already completed thid problem.
 
how can we (a) Geometrically and (b) Physically(in real life application) interpret the equation ?
 

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