Velocity Charged Particle between Parallel Plates

Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around the motion of a charged particle between parallel plates in an electric field, focusing on the effects of charge sign on velocity and acceleration. Participants explore kinematic equations and the implications of electric field direction on the particle's motion.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to derive expressions for acceleration and velocity but encounters confusion regarding the implications of charge sign on the results. Some participants question the assumptions made about the direction of the electric field and its relationship to the coordinate system.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, discussing the implications of charge polarity on the motion of the particle. Guidance has been offered regarding the direction of the electric field and how it affects the calculations, but there is no explicit consensus on the resolution of the original poster's confusion.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted concern about the potential for imaginary solutions when substituting values into the equations, particularly when considering the sign of the charge. Participants are also discussing formatting issues related to the presentation of equations.

ItsTheSebbe
Messages
10
Reaction score
1

Homework Statement


7dc20edd5e.jpg

Can't really find out b, probably due to a mistake in a. Was wondering what I did wrong.

Homework Equations


Kinematic equations of motion, w/ constant a
##F=qE##

The Attempt at a Solution


[/B]
(a)
##E=\frac {\Delta V} {\Delta d}= \frac {V_R-V_L} {L} = \frac {V_0}{L} ##
##F=qE=q \frac {V_0} {L}##
##a=\frac F m =\frac {qV_0} {mL}##
##L=\frac 1 2 a t^2= \frac 1 2 \frac {qV_0} {mL} t^2 \rightarrow t=\sqrt {\frac {2mL^2} {qV_0}}##
##v=at=\frac {qV_0} {mL} \sqrt {\frac {2mL^2} {qV_0}}##

(b)
This is where I'm confused, since filling in a negative charge in this equation will cause solutions for the velocity to be imaginary, which well... Doesn't really work. That makes me guess that the equation is wrong.

(c)
from part (a):
##t=\sqrt {\frac {2mL^2} {qV_0}}##PS: sidequestion, how could I format those equations better, as they seem too cramped for my liking? I know you can use $$'s, but that makes the lines spread out too much.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Physics news on Phys.org
The electric field is a vector, and as such has a direction associated with it. When you calculate the force as F = qE there are assumptions being made about how the direction of E relates to your chosen coordinate system.

Make a sketch that includes a vector showing the direction of E when your ##V_o## is greater than zero. What sign should you give E to make it correspond to your choice of coordinate directions?
 
Well since ##V_0=V_R-V_L## and ##V_0>0## The potential in ##V_R## should be higher than in ##V_L## so we'de get an homogeneous electric field from ##V_R## to ##V_L## like this:
fd243b07eb.png

Since the charge will go in the direction of the electric field if q is positive, shouldn't we just take a positive sign?
 
ItsTheSebbe said:
Since the charge will go in the direction of the electric field if q is positive, shouldn't we just take a positive sign?
So if q is positive it will be accelerated to the left, correct? The electric field is pointing to the left. That's a negative acceleration for your coordinate system (which you didn't indicate but I assume the positive x-direction is to the right).

In the above setup a negative charge would be attracted to (accelerate towards) the positive plate.

If you want your "E" to reflect the fact that it points along the negative x-axis direction, you need to give it a negative sign.
 
Aah, that makes sense. However that leads me to another problem, not being able to find a real value for the time:

##\vec E=\frac {\Delta V} {\Delta d} \hat d=- \frac {V_R-V_L} {L} =- \frac {V_0}{L} ##
##\vec F=q \vec E=-q \frac {V_0} {L}##
##\vec a=\frac {\vec F} {m} =-\frac {qV_0} {mL}##
##L=\frac 1 2 \vec a t^2=- \frac 1 2 \frac {qV_0} {mL} t^2 \rightarrow t^2=-\frac {2mL^2} {qV_0}##
 
It's not a problem if q is negative. If q is positive the time will have an imaginary solution since a positive charge would never reach the right hand plate.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: ItsTheSebbe
ooh, yeah that does make sense, therefore it needs to negatively charged. I was failing to see the connection between the image and the formula. Thanks!
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
1K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
1K
Replies
11
Views
4K
Replies
14
Views
3K
  • · Replies 15 ·
Replies
15
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
2K
Replies
5
Views
3K
  • · Replies 28 ·
Replies
28
Views
4K