Velocity due to known acceleration

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The discussion revolves around calculating the velocity of an object given a force applied over time, with a focus on the relationship between force, acceleration, and velocity. The subject area includes concepts from dynamics and kinematics.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the integration of acceleration to determine velocity, question the definitions and functions used, and discuss the concept of impulse as a potential method for solving the problem.

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The conversation has evolved with participants offering guidance on the use of impulse and integration methods. Some participants express uncertainty about their calculations and seek clarification on the correct approach to integrate acceleration over time.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the representation of force and acceleration, as well as the need for proper units in calculations. Participants are also navigating through the implications of impulse in the context of the problem.

Anders Hijul
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Homework Statement
A particle with a mass 𝑚 = 10.0kg has the time 𝑡 = 0 s velocity 𝑣0 = 10.0m / s. The particle is affected by a force 𝐹 that depends on the time as shown in the figure below.

What is the velocity of the particle at time 𝑡 = 10 s?
Relevant Equations
F = ma
I have some troubles with this relatively simple problem My idea was to find the acceleration by F = ma and then integrate the graph and then find the velocity to t = 10 s + start velocity

The graph will be
- 2x

And integrated
-x¨^2

But this seems wrong

Thanks in regards
 

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What is ##x## here? You are given ##F## as a function of time.
 
Sorry my mistake I meant t instead of x
 
Anders Hijul said:
Sorry my mistake I meant t instead of x
Can you write down what you are actually doing?
 
I meant that the graph would be
20-2t for t = 5 to 5 = 10 s

But integrated the graph is
20t - t^2

But I think I am doing something wrong before this
 
Anders Hijul said:
I meant that the graph would be
20-2t for t = 5 to 5 = 10 s

But integrated the graph is
20t - t^2

But I think I am doing something wrong before this
First, you need some units there. ##20t - 2t^2## is not a valid physical quantity.

Second, I thought you were trying to calculate the acceleration as a function of time?

By the way, have you ever heard the term impulse?
 
I think I maybe haven't explained myself correctly

I want to find the velocity of the object to t = 10 s

When I have the force applied to the object over time, I can calculate the acceleration from F = ma, so I get
a = 1 m/s^2 for t = 0 to t = 5
a = 0,8 m/s^2 for t = 6
a = 0,6 m/s^2 for t = 4

And so on My idea was to simply integrate the graph of the acceleration to get the graph of the velocity and then find the velocity to t = 10 s plus the start velocity (for t = 0 to t = 5 s)

Hope that clears it up

Yes I have heard of impulse, but I cannot see how I can apply that here

Thanks
 
Anders Hijul said:
I think I maybe haven't explained myself correctly

I want to find the velocity of the object to t = 10 s

When I have the force applied to the object over time, I can calculate the acceleration from F = ma, so I get
a = 1 m/s^2 for t = 0 to t = 5
a = 0,8 m/s^2 for t = 6
a = 0,6 m/s^2 for t = 4

And so on My idea was to simply integrate the graph of the acceleration to get the graph of the velocity and then find the velocity to t = 10 s plus the start velocity (for t = 0 to t = 5 s)

What's the velocity after ##5## seconds?

What's your plan for integrating acceleration over time from ##5## to ##10## seconds? Can you express the acceleration as a function of time?
 
PS it's easier to calculate the total impulse!
 
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Anders Hijul said:
I meant that the graph would be
20-2t for t = 5 to 5 = 10 s

But integrated the graph is
20t - t^2

But I think I am doing something wrong before this
I think you have some mistakes in your integration.
You should try applying impulse here as @PeroK said. It will be much more easier
For your information F*t=impulse=change in momentum
 
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Thanks PeroK and PSN03

I think I got it!

So the impulse is calculated from force applied, which is 75 N (area under the graph). So for 10 s we have
J = F*t = 75 N*10 s = 75 N s

So we have
J = pf-pi
75 N = 10 kg*v -> v = 7,5 m/s

So the final velocity after 10 s is 10 + 7,5 = 17,5 m/s

It funny with Physics. When you figure something out, it seems so simple :wink:
 
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Anders Hijul said:
Thanks PeroK and PSN03

I think I got it!

So the impulse is calculated from force applied, which is 75 N (area under the graph). So for 10 s we have
J = F*t = 75 N*10 s = 75 N s

So we have
J = pf-pi
75 N = 10 kg*v -> v = 7,5 m/s

So the final velocity after 10 s is 10 + 7,5 = 17,5 m/s

It funny with Physics. When you figure something out, it seems so simple :wink:
The area under a Force/time graph is impulse:
$$J = (10N \times 5s) + \frac 1 2 (10N \times 5s) = 75 Ns$$
I would also have written:
$$\Delta v = \frac J m = 7.5 m/s$$
 
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That make sense

Thank you!
 
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Anders Hijul said:
Thanks PeroK and PSN03

I think I got it!

So the impulse is calculated from force applied, which is 75 N (area under the graph). So for 10 s we have
J = F*t = 75 N*10 s = 75 N s

So we have
J = pf-pi
75 N = 10 kg*v -> v = 7,5 m/s

So the final velocity after 10 s is 10 + 7,5 = 17,5 m/s

It funny with Physics. When you figure something out, it seems so simple :wink:
You can also apply your integration method as the slope of the curve will be
F/t=m
Ma/t=m
(M*dv/dt)/t=m
Mdv=m*t dt
Now just integrate this thing
PS: here M is mass of body and m is slope of the line
 

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