Velocity of car after 180 degree turn

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving the change in velocity of a car making a 180-degree turn. The car initially travels east at 60 km/h and then moves west at the same speed. Participants are exploring the implications of velocity as a vector quantity, particularly focusing on direction and the calculation of change in velocity.

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  • Participants discuss the concept of change in velocity, questioning whether it can be zero when the speed remains constant but the direction changes. There are attempts to clarify the vector nature of velocity and how to apply a sign convention to the problem.

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Some participants have provided guidance on using a sign convention to represent velocities, while others have expressed confusion about the calculations involved. The discussion has included various interpretations of how to determine the change in velocity, with some participants beginning to grasp the concept of vector subtraction.

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There is an emphasis on understanding velocity as a vector, and some participants are encouraged to visualize the problem through vector diagrams. The discussion reflects a mix of understanding and uncertainty regarding the application of vector principles in this context.

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Imagine a car is traveling east 60km/h, then after leaving the curve it's velocity is 60km/h west, what's it's change in velocity?
 
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What do you think?
 
Doc Al said:
What do you think?
I thought it was 0km/h but it was marked wrong, I just want to understand why.
 
ujellytek said:
I thought it was 0km/h but it was marked wrong, I just want to understand why.
Recall that velocity is a vector: direction matters. (If they had asked for the change in speed, then that would be zero.)
 
Doc Al said:
Recall that velocity is a vector: direction matters. (If they had asked for the change in speed, then that would be zero.)
Can you explain how to solve this?
 
Choose a sign convention. Let's say east is positive and west is negative.

Given that, what would be the initial and final velocities, including their sign?
 
Doc Al said:
Choose a sign convention. Let's say east is positive and west is negative.

Given that, what would be the initial and final velocities, including their sign?
v1=60 km/h [E] v2=60 km/h [W] ? *delta*v=??
 
ujellytek said:
v1=60 km/h [E] v2=60 km/h [W] ? *delta*v=??
Instead of E & W, use + and -.

v1 = + 60 km/h
v2 = ?
 
Doc Al said:
Instead of E & W, use + and -.

v1 = + 60 km/h
v2 = ?
I have no idea what to do
 
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ujellytek said:
I have no idea what to do
If the initial velocity (to the east) is + 60, what must the final velocity (to the west) be?
 
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Doc Al said:
If the initial velocity (to the east) is + 60, what must the final velocity (to the west) be?
-120, thanks I get it now
 
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ujellytek said:
-120, thanks I get it now
Good. The change in velocity is 120 km/h to the west.
 
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Just a follow up comment on this, it is always a good idea to use vectors. While + and - works for this problem where the velocities are along the same line, using vectors is a better and more general way to solve it.

The question asks for the difference or change in velocity. One must subtract the initial velocity from the final velocity to determine the change in velocity:
##\vec{\Delta{v}} = \vec{v_f} - \vec{v_i}##

If, like me, you find vector subtraction to be a bit confusing, you can easily turn it into a vector addition equation:
##\vec{v_f} = \vec{v_i} + \vec{\Delta{v}}##

You want to find ##\vec {\Delta{v}}##. If you draw ##\vec{v_f} \text{ and } \vec{v_i}## tail to tail and then ask your self "what vector added to the initial velocity vector (ie. its tail touching the arrow of the initial velocity vector) results in the final velocity vector?" (ie. its arrow touches the arrow of the final velocity vector) you will have your answer. Since the change in velocity is a vector you must specify its direction as well as its magnitude (ie. its length which represents speed).

AM
 
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With vector problems, ALWAYS draw the triangle or whatever figure.
 

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