Velocity of sound in Carbon Diox vs. Air

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the velocity of sound in carbon dioxide using an organ pipe that produces sound waves. The problem involves understanding the relationship between wavelength, frequency, and the medium through which sound travels, specifically comparing carbon dioxide to air.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the calculation of sound velocity using the formula relating wavelength and frequency. There are questions about unit conversions and the appropriateness of different units for expressing the final answer. Some participants also discuss the factors affecting sound velocity in gases, including density and temperature.

Discussion Status

The conversation is active, with participants providing insights and questioning assumptions about the calculations and the physical properties of gases. There is recognition of the need to consider temperature effects and molecular differences between carbon dioxide and air, though no consensus has been reached on the implications of these factors.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem does not specify the temperature of the carbon dioxide, which may affect the velocity calculation. There is also mention of the composition of air, primarily nitrogen, as a point of comparison.

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Homework Statement



An organ pipe is blown with carbon dioxide and produces waves 2 ft long and a note with a frequency if 350 Hz. What is the velocity of sound in carbon dioxide? How do you account for the fact that this is not the same as the velocity in air?


Homework Equations



wavelength=velocity/frequency therefore Velocity=wavelength*frequency.

The Attempt at a Solution


Velocity =2ft*350HZ=213.36 m/s

My teacher wants the answer in the same units as the question, but 700 ft/Hz doesn't seem like a true meausrement? Which is why I put 213.36 m/s? I am on track here?

Also, would this velocity be different than that of air b/c carbon dioxide is heavier and denser than air?
 
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Yes and that is because v = sqrt( krt/m0) where k stands for adiabatic exponent.
 
kriegera said:

Homework Statement



An organ pipe is blown with carbon dioxide and produces waves 2 ft long and a note with a frequency if 350 Hz. What is the velocity of sound in carbon dioxide? How do you account for the fact that this is not the same as the velocity in air?


Homework Equations



wavelength=velocity/frequency therefore Velocity=wavelength*frequency.

The Attempt at a Solution


Velocity =2ft*350HZ=213.36 m/s

My teacher wants the answer in the same units as the question, but 700 ft/Hz doesn't seem like a true meausrement? Which is why I put 213.36 m/s? I am on track here?
What's wrong with ft/s?
Also, would this velocity be different than that of air b/c carbon dioxide is heavier and denser than air?
That's one reason. What else does the speed of sound in a gas depend on, and is it or are they different for CO2 compared to air?
 
vela said:
What's wrong with ft/s?

That's one reason. What else does the speed of sound in a gas depend on, and is it or are they different for CO2 compared to air?

How would you convert: 213.36 m/s into ft/s?

Thanks for the tip!
The speed of a gas also depends on its temperature. (Velocity increases with temperature. Temperature also affects density the higher the temp, the lower the density.) Therefore, the velocity of carbon dioxide would differ from air b/c of differences in temperatures based on the kinetic energy of molecules in the air and CO2.
 
[To convert 213.23 m/s to ft/s we would get: (213.36 m/s)( 3.2808399)= 700 ft/s]

Correct?
 
kriegera said:
[To convert 213.23 m/s to ft/s we would get: (213.36 m/s)( 3.2808399)= 700 ft/s]

Correct?

Yes you really didn't need to do that since 2*350 = 700
 
AtticusFinch said:
Yes you really didn't need to do that since 2*350 = 700

So i can leave it in m/s? Where did the 350 come from?
 
kriegera said:
So i can leave it in m/s? Where did the 350 come from?

You should know you calculated it yourself in your first post.

Velocity =2ft*350HZ = 700 ft/s

Hz is defined as s-1 "per second"
 
AtticusFinch said:
You should know you calculated it yourself in your first post.

Velocity =2ft*350HZ = 700 ft/s

Hz is defined as s-1 "per second"

gosh-sometimes you miss the obvious staring at you. thanks!
 
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kriegera said:
Therefore, the velocity of carbon dioxide would differ from air b/c of differences in temperatures based on the kinetic energy of molecules in the air and CO2.

Assume the carbon dioxide is the same temperature as air, because you're not told otherwise.

Consider that air is mostly N2.

For a given amount of kinetic energy (temperature), how does the velocity of a nitrogen molecule compare to that of a carbon dioxide molecule?
 

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