Verify unsolvable ODE on Midterm

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The discussion revolves around an initial value problem from an Ordinary Differential Equations I midterm, where a replacement professor suggested there might be a typo in the first question. The problem involves solving a third-order inhomogeneous ordinary differential equation.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the solvability of the ODE, with some suggesting methods such as undetermined coefficients. Questions arise regarding the roots of the characteristic equation and the implications of having both real and complex roots.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants exploring the structure of the complementary solution and the form of the particular solution. There is speculation about the professor's reasoning for suggesting a typo, but no consensus has been reached regarding the nature of the problem.

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Participants note constraints such as the lack of calculators during the exam and express uncertainty about the professor's intentions or potential errors in the problem setup.

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Long story short,

Professor was replaced with a replacement professor on the day of the midterm.
The replacement prof. announces, after 3/4 of the time allowed has passed that the first question might contain a typo. He doesn't suggest how to fix the problem or anything. He just claims there might be a problem with the first question.

Can someone take a look at it?
This is for Ordinary Differential Equations I

Here is the first question:

Solve the initial value problem:
y' ' ' + y' ' + 4y' + 4 = 0 y (0) = 5; y' (0)=7; y' ' (0)= -5;

Thank you very much
 
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I don't think there is any typo, it seems easily solvable to me; just use the method of undetermined coefficients, you have a fairly simple 3rd degree inhomogeneous ODE.
 
y' ' ' + y' ' + 4y' + 4 = 0
would be come
y' ' ' + y' ' + 4y' = -4

m^3 + m^2 + 4m = 0
m(m^2 + m + 4) = 0

m1 = 0 and m2 = a complex root

is that right?
 
That looks like a good start for your complimentary solution.What form does that portion of your solution take?
 
Hmm...

e^a(c1cos(bx)+c2sin(bx))
 
That's part of it, what are the values of 'a' and 'b', and what happened to your m1=0 root?
 
a would be -1/2 and b sqrt(15)/2

We have never seen the case were m1 and m2 are real and complex.. Where would I go from here?
 
a real root m1 just adds an c3*e^(m1 x) term, in this case m1=0 and e^0=1, so it adds a constant term and your complimentary solution is:

[tex]y_c(x)=e^{\frac{-x}{2}} \left( c_1 cos \left( \frac{\sqrt{15}}{2} x \right)+c_2 sin \left(\frac{\sqrt{15}}{2} x \right) \right) +c_3[/tex]

Do you follow?
 
Yes, I follow... Where would I go from here?
 
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Now you need to find a particular solution...Your inhomogeneous term is just '-4'. Suppose you had only a second order ODE, what would you guess as a particular solution there? Can you guess the form of a particular solution for the 3rd order ODE?
 
  • #11
Ok I get it from this point on, however, we've never really had any practice with m1 = 0 and m2 = complex

I wonder why the prof said it was a typo now.. lol..
 
  • #12
maybe because he thought that the sqrt(15)/2 was a little too ugly for an exam question, but who knows :shrug:
 
  • #13
We weren't allowed calculators.. I don't think that changes much though
 
  • #14
My guess is your replacement prof didn't have his morning coffee, and made an error in his attempt to solve the problem, and couldn't find it so he concluded something might b wrong with the question.

But that's just speculation on my part :smile:
 
  • #15
He probably looked at y' ' ' + y' ' + 4y' + 4 = 0 and thought perhaps it should be
y' ' ' + y' ' + 4y' + 4y = 0 which would be more "standard form" but distinctly harder than the original problem!
 

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