Shifting Origin Method for Solving ODEs

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The discussion revolves around finding a particular solution to a first-order ordinary differential equation (ODE) given by the expression (3x+2y+3)dx - (x+2y-1)dy = 0, with the initial condition y(-2) = 1. Participants are exploring the method of shifting the origin as a strategy to solve the problem.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the method of shifting the origin and attempt to reformulate the ODE using new variables. There are various attempts to derive a separable equation and integrate it. Some participants express confusion about the results obtained, particularly when substituting back the shifted variables. Questions arise regarding the validity of their manipulations and the implications of the initial condition.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing their attempts and results. Some have found potential paths forward, such as using partial fraction decomposition for integration, while others express uncertainty about their results and seek clarification on specific steps. There is no explicit consensus on the correctness of the approaches taken, but productive dialogue continues.

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Participants note challenges related to the initial condition leading to undefined expressions and the complexity of the integrals involved. There is also mention of differing results from various computational tools, which adds to the uncertainty in the discussion.

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Homework Statement


Find a particular solution to:
(3x+2y+3)dx - (x+2y-1)dy = 0, y(-2) = 1

The answer to this problem as presented in the book ODE by Tenenbaum is the following:
(2x+2y+1)(3x-2y+9)^4=-1.

Homework Equations


I will be shifting the origin to try to compute this problem.

The Attempt at a Solution



First:

<br /> \frac {dy} {dx} = -\frac {(3x+2y+3)} {(-x-2y+1)}

The system of lines is as follows:

y = -\frac {3x} {2}-\frac {3} {2}
y = -\frac {x} {2}+\frac {1} {2}

This system has a solution of x = -2 and y = 3/2

To shift the origin I set:

x = \overline{x}-2, y = \overline{y}+\frac{3} {2}
\overline{x} = x+2, \overline{y} = y-\frac{3} {2}

Now to start solving the problem we input the shifted values of x and y.

(3(\overline{x}-2)+2(\overline{y}+\frac{3} {2}) + 3)d\overline{x} + (-(\overline{x}-2)-2(\overline{y}+\frac{3} {2})+1)d\overline{y} = 0

This should lead (I've checked my calculations here multiple times) to:

(3\overline{x}+2\overline{y})d\overline{x}+(-\overline{x}-2\overline{y})d\overline{y}=0

Now I'm ready to solve this using methods that I had previously learned.

Set y=u\overline{x}, d\overline{y} = ud\overline{x}+\overline{x}du

(3\overline{x}+2u\overline{x})d\overline{x}+(-\overline{x}-2(u\overline{x}))(ud\overline{x}+\overline{x}du)=0

Calculating this and simplifying we get:

(-2u^2\overline{x}+3\overline{x}+u\overline{x})d\overline{x}+(-\overline{x}^2-2u\overline{x}^2)du = 0

Now, with this, I divide everything by x-bar^2. I then put it into seperable form by dividing through by (-2u^2+3+u). This becomes:

\frac {d\overline{x}} {\overline{x}} + \frac {(-1-2u)} {(-2u^2+3+u)} du = 0

A separable equation! Now I can integrate. I integrate and net :

log(\overline{x}) + \frac {1} {5}(4log(3-2u)+log(u+1)) + c

I try to manipulate the solution to appear closer to the given solution as presented in the book. So I multiply by e throughout the entire solution. I then raise everything to the 5th power.

\overline{x}^5 + (3-2u)^4(u+1) = 0
We recall that u=\frac {\overline{y}} {\overline{x}}

plugging in this, and then also plugging in the values for x-bar and y-bar i net:

(x+2)^5+(3-\frac{2y-3} {x+2})^4(\frac{y-\frac{3} {2}} {x+2} +1) = C

Well, this is bad. Using the initial condition y(-2)=1 if we let x = -2 we get a fraction with 0 in the denominator.

What have I done wrong? :/
 
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RJLiberator said:

Homework Statement


Find a particular solution to:
(3x+2y+3)dx - (x+2y-1)dy = 0, y(-2) = 1

The answer to this problem as presented in the book ODE by Tenenbaum is the following:
(2x+2y+1)(3x-2y+9)^4=-1.

Homework Equations


I will be shifting the origin to try to compute this problem.

The Attempt at a Solution



First:

<br /> \frac {dy} {dx} = -\frac {(3x+2y+3)} {(-x-2y+1)}

The system of lines is as follows:

y = -\frac {3x} {2}-\frac {3} {2}
y = -\frac {x} {2}+\frac {1} {2}

This system has a solution of x = -2 and y = 3/2

To shift the origin I set:

x = \overline{x}-2, y = \overline{y}+\frac{3} {2}
\overline{x} = x+2, \overline{y} = y-\frac{3} {2}

Now to start solving the problem we input the shifted values of x and y.

(3(\overline{x}-2)+2(\overline{y}+\frac{3} {2}) + 3)d\overline{x} + (-(\overline{x}-2)-2(\overline{y}+\frac{3} {2})+1)d\overline{y} = 0

This should lead (I've checked my calculations here multiple times) to:

(3\overline{x}+2\overline{y})d\overline{x}+(-\overline{x}-2\overline{y})d\overline{y}=0

Now I'm ready to solve this using methods that I had previously learned.

Set y=u\overline{x}, d\overline{y} = ud\overline{x}+\overline{x}du

(3\overline{x}+2u\overline{x})d\overline{x}+(-\overline{x}-2(u\overline{x}))(ud\overline{x}+\overline{x}du)=0

Calculating this and simplifying we get:

(-2u^2\overline{x}+3\overline{x}+u\overline{x})d\overline{x}+(-\overline{x}^2-2u\overline{x}^2)du = 0

Now, with this, I divide everything by x-bar^2. I then put it into seperable form by dividing through by (-2u^2+3+u). This becomes:

\frac {d\overline{x}} {\overline{x}} + \frac {(-1-2u)} {(-2u^2+3+u)} du = 0

A separable equation! Now I can integrate. I integrate and net :

log(\overline{x}) + \frac {1} {5}(4log(3-2u)+log(u+1)) + c

I try to manipulate the solution to appear closer to the given solution as presented in the book. So I multiply by e throughout the entire solution. I then raise everything to the 5th power.

\overline{x}^5 + (3-2u)^4(u+1) = 0
We recall that u=\frac {\overline{y}} {\overline{x}}

plugging in this, and then also plugging in the values for x-bar and y-bar i net:

(x+2)^5+(3-\frac{2y-3} {x+2})^4(\frac{y-\frac{3} {2}} {x+2} +1) = C

Well, this is bad. Using the initial condition y(-2)=1 if we let x = -2 we get a fraction with 0 in the denominator.

What have I done wrong? :/

If ##\hat{y} = u \hat{x}## does not work, try instead ##\hat{x} = u \hat{y}##.

Basically, a point on the ##\hat{y}##-axis cannot be described as lying on a line ##\hat{y} = u \hat{x}## with finite ##u##, but it does lie on a line ##\hat{x} = u \hat{y}## with finite ##u##.
 
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Hi Ray, I appreciate the comment!

I'm at work right now, but I worked it out the way you suggested:

\overline{x} = u\overline{y} and d\overline{x} = ud\overline{y}+\overline{y}du

After plugging it all into the equation and simplifying I get a seperable expression of the following:

\frac{1} {y}d\overline{y} + \frac{3u+2} {3u^2+u-2}du = 0

While this looks good, plugging in the integral into symbolab gives me a very, very long expression. here

This leads me to believe that this way is not working properly either. Admittedly, I did not bother plugging back in everything as that would be quite the task with that integral solution.
 
RJLiberator said:
Hi Ray, I appreciate the comment!

I'm at work right now, but I worked it out the way you suggested:

\overline{x} = u\overline{y} and d\overline{x} = ud\overline{y}+\overline{y}du

After plugging it all into the equation and simplifying I get a seperable expression of the following:

\frac{1} {y}d\overline{y} + \frac{3u+2} {3u^2+u-2}du = 0

While this looks good, plugging in the integral into symbolab gives me a very, very long expression. here

This leads me to believe that this way is not working properly either. Admittedly, I did not bother plugging back in everything as that would be quite the task with that integral solution.

I clicked on the link you provided to see what symbolab gives, and I am not convinced it is correct. Maple gets a pretty simple result:
$$\int \frac{3u+2}{3u^2+u-2} \, du = \frac{1}{5} \ln(u+1) +\frac{4}{5} \ln(3u-2) $$
You can check that this is correct by taking the derivative. Can you check the symbolab result like that? Also: Instead of using symbolab, why not try Wolfram Alpha?

BTW: the integration can be done easily manually, because the denominator factors as ##(u+1)(3u-2)##, so the integrand can be written in partial fractions.
 
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You are absolutely right.

I did the integration manually using partial fraction expansion and that made it a reasonable integral.

I was able to simplify it to:

(y-\frac{3} {2})^5+(\frac{x+2} {y-\frac{3} {2}}) + (\frac{3x+6} {y-\frac{3} {2}} -2)^4 = C

So, it's an answer. I feel like I made no mistakes throughout the calculation. I am 'happy' with this answer. But I'm not sure if i can manipulate it to look like the given answer from the book.
 
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RJLiberator said:
You are absolutely right.

I did the integration manually using partial fraction expansion and that made it a reasonable integral.

I was able to simplify it to:

(y-\frac{3} {2})^5+(\frac{x+2} {y-\frac{3} {2}}) + (\frac{3x+6} {y-\frac{3} {2}} -2)^4 = C

So, it's an answer. I feel like I made no mistakes throughout the calculation. I am 'happy' with this answer. But I'm not sure if i can manipulate it to look like the given answer from the book.

You seem to have written that ##\ln(A) + \ln(B) + \ln(C) = k## implies ##A + B + C = k'##, but that is false: it should be ##A B C = k'## (product, not sum).
 
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YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS.

What a mistake and what a way to wake up to the morning! Problem Solved. My mistakes... noted.

Kind regards.
 

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