Vertical and horizontal components,physics As level help :(

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem from a past exam paper, specifically focusing on vertical and horizontal components of forces in a system involving tension and acceleration. The original poster seeks clarification on specific parts of two questions related to free body diagrams and the relationships between forces and angles.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of free body diagrams (FBDs) to analyze the forces acting on a fly and a spider, questioning how to derive acceleration from given tensions. There is also confusion regarding the interpretation of angles in relation to the forces involved.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the equations of motion and the relationships between tension and acceleration. There is ongoing exploration of how to express the answers for the questions, with participants questioning the assumptions made and the definitions used in the problem.

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The original poster is preparing for an exam and is under time constraints, which may influence the urgency and nature of the questions raised. There are mentions of specific parts of questions that require further clarification, indicating potential gaps in understanding the problem setup.

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Homework Statement


This is paper from june 2016 , the link below;
http://qualifications.pearson.com/c...2013/Exam materials/WPH01_01_que_20160524.pdf
Can someone pleeeeeze explain how to solve question 15 part B AND queation 16 part B .
I have an exam tmrw so please please if someone could explain this to me :cry:

Homework Equations


How do write the answer in part b of Q16
How to solve the question?[/B]

The Attempt at a Solution


for question 15 I tried using the tension formula T=mg+ma but don't know how to subtitue quantities in it
for question 16 I don't understand what the question is asking about angles , all I could understand that forces cancel out now if its right or no idk but idk how to write the answer :(
 
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Hi Maryam, :welcome:

At the risk of being severely punished by our good mentors (answering is forbidden in PF, we are only allowed to help according to the rules ) - but heck, damsels in distress...

For 15a you may assume the whole lot is just hanging: no acceleration. There's only one fundamental difference between the fly FBD and that for the spider: there is a T1 pulling down. Once you have the FBDs you also have the equations for equilibrium (= hanging still).
Quantities are the givens (all in the form of symbols).

But you appear to ask about 15b: They give T1 and you will need to solve TWO equations of the type T=mg+ma : one for the fly and one for the spider. Look at the FBDs and write them down (in terms of the symbols).

For 16: You solved a) ? For b) you could look at T as a function of ##\theta## Or you could look at the horizontal component T##\sin\theta## because that is what is pulling the pole tips towards each other.
 
BvU said:
Hi Maryam, :welcome:

At the risk of being severely punished by our good mentors (answering is forbidden in PF, we are only allowed to help according to the rules ) - but heck, damsels in distress...

For 15a you may assume the whole lot is just hanging: no acceleration. There's only one fundamental difference between the fly FBD and that for the spider: there is a T1 pulling down. Once you have the FBDs you also have the equations for equilibrium (= hanging still).
Quantities are the givens (all in the form of symbols).

But you appear to ask about 15b: They give T1 and you will need to solve TWO equations of the type T=mg+ma : one for the fly and one for the spider. Look at the FBDs and write them down (in terms of the symbols).

For 16: You solved a) ? For b) you could look at T as a function of ##\theta## Or you could look at the horizontal component T##\sin\theta## because that is what is pulling the pole tips towards each other.
Aww thanks !:-p
What does FBD mean ?? And in question 15 they asked for the acceleration not tension , How do I get that?? :frown:
And question 16 I was asking about part b , Idk how to write the answer because I don't understand it
 
Free body diagram

T2 - mflyg = ma for the fly
T1 - T2 - mspiderg = ma for the spider.

a is the same for both (The distance between them does not change). Eliminate T2 and there you are !

16: if ##\theta## increases, the horizontal components of T decrease, so the poles are not pulled together so hard any more. The vertical components remain the same.
 
BvU said:
Free body diagram

T2 - mflyg = ma for the fly
T1 - T2 - mspiderg = ma for the spider.

a is the same for both (The distance between them does not change). Eliminate T2 and there you are !

16: if ##\theta## increases, the horizontal components of T decrease, so the poles are not pulled together so hard any more. The vertical components remain the same.
ooh! ok Thank u so much :) :dademyday:
 
You're welcome. Good luck with the test.
 
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