Very simple derivative problem don't know what I'm doing wrong

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The original poster is reviewing a derivative problem related to the function g(x) = 8(x-2)/e^x, specifically seeking to determine the points where the graph has a horizontal line. They express confusion regarding their application of the constant rule and the quotient rule in their calculations.

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  • Participants discuss the application of derivative rules, particularly the constant rule and the quotient rule. There is a focus on the simplification steps and the accuracy of algebraic manipulations. Questions arise regarding the correctness of specific calculations and the interpretation of results.

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Some participants have offered guidance on the algebraic steps involved, pointing out potential errors in distribution and simplification. The discussion reflects a collaborative effort to clarify misunderstandings without reaching a definitive conclusion on the problem.

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Participants are grappling with the implications of their calculations, particularly in relation to the expected outcomes of the problem. There is an acknowledgment of the original poster's frustration with their understanding of derivative rules, which may be influencing their approach.

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Homework Statement



I'm reviewing for a test and I'm surprised of this. I've did countless problems harder than this.. for some reason every time I use the constant rule I get it wrong.. I want to understand.. WHY?!?

Determine the points at which the graph of the function has a horizontal line.

[tex]g(x)=\frac{8(x-2)}{e^x}[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



[tex]g(x)=\frac{8(x-2)}{e^x}[/tex]
By the constant rule:
[tex]=8 (\frac{x-2}{e^x}[/tex]
Definition of quotient rule with constant
[tex]c \frac{\frac{d}{dx} f(x) g(x) - \frac{d}{dx} g(x) f(x)}{[g(x)]^2}[/tex]
[tex]8 \frac{1(e^x)-e^x(x-2)}{e^{2x}}[/tex]
Distribute [tex]e^x[/tex]
[tex]=8 \frac{e^x - xe^x - 2e^x}{e^{2x}}[/tex]
Divide by [tex]e^x[/tex]
[tex]= 8 \frac{-x-2}{e^x}[/tex]
[tex]= \frac{-8x-16}{e^x}[/tex]
Horizontal line (0 slope) is at g'(-2)
[tex]g(2)= \frac{-8(x-2}{e^x}[/tex]
[tex]g(2) = \frac{-32}{e^-2}[/tex]
[tex]g(2) = -32e^2[/tex]
So g(x) has a horizontal tangent at [tex](-2,-32e^2)[/tex]

But the right answer is supposed to be horizontal line slope at g'(3) and horizontal tangent at [tex](3,\frac{8}{e^3})[/tex]

What am I doing wrong? Am I using the constant rule the wrong way? It makes me go crazy because I know I have all the basic derivative rules in check. Please help!
 
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Nano-Passion said:

Homework Statement



Determine the points at which the graph of the function has a horizontal line.

[tex]g(x)=\frac{8(x-2)}{e^x}[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



[tex]g(x)=\frac{8(x-2)}{e^x}[/tex]
...

Distribute [tex]e^x[/tex]
[tex]=8 \frac{e^x - xe^x - 2e^x}{e^{2x}}[/tex]
It's OK to here.
Divide by [tex]e^x[/tex]
[tex]= 8 \frac{-x-2}{e^x}[/tex]
,,,

[itex]\displaystyle \frac{e^x}{e^x}-\frac{xe^x}{e^x}-\frac{2e^x}{e^x}=1-x+2\,.[/itex]
 
SammyS said:
It's OK to here.[itex]\displaystyle \frac{e^x}{e^x}-\frac{xe^x}{e^x}-\frac{2e^x}{e^x}=1-x+2\,.[/itex]

Hey, I've edited a portion of my post it wasn't done yet. But I am a bit confused about what you just wrote. Don't you mean:
[itex]\displaystyle \frac{e^x}{e^x}-\frac{xe^x}{e^x}-\frac{2e^x}{e^x}=1-x-2\,.[/itex]

Edit: Either way.. thanks! I will edit my post and make the correction accordingly.
 
SammyS said:
It's OK to here.[itex]\displaystyle \frac{e^x}{e^x}-\frac{xe^x}{e^x}-\frac{2e^x}{e^x}=1-x+2\,.[/itex]
I don't understand how you got +2. I re-ran my calculation as [tex]=1-x-2[/tex]. But it seems that I only get the right answer if I put [tex]=1-x+2[/tex]

Could you explain how its +2 and not -2? This is really testing my faith in my algebra foundation right now..
 
[tex]-e^x(x - 2) = -e^x(x) -e^x(-2) = -xe^x + 2e^x[/tex]
 
Nano-Passion said:
...
[tex]8 \frac{1(e^x)-e^x(x-2)}{e^{2x}}[/tex]

Distribute [tex]e^x[/tex]
[tex]=8 \frac{e^x - xe^x - 2e^x}{e^{2x}}[/tex]

My earlier post was in error.

Distributing the ex gives a numerator of:

ex - xex + 2ex

Then dividing this by ex gives: 1 - x + 2 = 3 - x .
 
0o silly me.. It ended up being a distributive mistake all along 0__O. Hahaha.. I must need a break then.. I find that quite funny. Well thanks for pointing the mistake. :approve:
Deveno said:
[tex]-e^x(x - 2) = -e^x(x) -e^x(-2) = -xe^x + 2e^x[/tex]

SammyS said:
My earlier post was in error.

Distributing the ex gives a numerator of:

ex - xex + 2ex

Then dividing this by ex gives: 1 - x + 2 = 3 - x .
 

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