Very strange permutation problem

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The discussion revolves around a permutation problem, specifically focusing on the properties and notation of permutations, including the two-line notation and the concept of composition of permutations.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants express confusion regarding the notation and elements involved in permutations, particularly questioning the role of the two-line notation and the nature of the permutation \(\tau\). There are inquiries about whether \(\tau\) is a transposition or any permutation, and attempts to clarify the composition of permutations.

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Some participants provide clarifications about the notation and the nature of permutations, while others seek further understanding of the concepts involved. There is an ongoing exploration of the definitions and properties related to permutations without a clear consensus.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of permutation notation and composition, with some expressing uncertainty about the definitions and implications of the symbols used in the problem statement.

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product of permutation

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i have difficulty understanding this q.
why in \sigma there are b1b2...bn new element?
why can i insert \tau in the permutation "matrix"?\tauitself is a "matrix"??
 

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It's not a matrix. It is the two-line notation for a permutation. See here for more details:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permutation

This is not a strange problem; in fact it's one of the most standard and fundamental facts about permutations.
 
jbunniii said:
It's not a matrix. It is the two-line notation for a permutation. See here for more details:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permutation

This is not a strange problem; in fact it's one of the most standard and fundamental facts about permutations.

i know this is not a matrix that's why i write "matrix".
help!
 
is \tau a transposition or any permutation?
 
betty2301 said:
is \tau a transposition or any permutation?

\tau can be any permutation. (That is exactly what \forall \tau \in S_n means.)

Remember that \tau \sigma \tau^{-1} is a composition of three permutations, in the following order: first \tau^{-1}, then \sigma, then \tau. If the "input" set of elements is \tau(a_1), ..., \tau(a_n), then just follow what each stage of the composition does to these elements. Try not to overthink it - this is actually a very easy problem.
 
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